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Hello fellow educators....I am dealing with a dilema which I have no control over as I am a staff member, not administration, but it is just eating away at my concious. My community college uses the HESI exit exam for the ADN and LVN programs. Regardless of how good your GPA is, clinical performance and so on....along April or so, you have to pass a "exit exam" with a score of 850 or better in order to "Walk with your diploma". If you fail to pass the test you are allowed to take it again. If you fail again, you are out. Don't pass go, don't collect you monopoly money!!!! The problem I have with it, and I am not alone in this, IS>>> a couple of students each year per program, fails the HESI, despite being quality nursing students and according to the census of most instructors would pass the NCLEX with no problems. Other schools in our area use the HESi,but as a tool to help the students focus on their areas of weakness. I feel we should not leave it up to a third party vendor to make or break these kids, who have put their lives on hold, pawned everything they own, just to be one of us.

Am I normal to feel this way? I have discussed it with other staff and told it is the policy of the college network, DON'T go there...etc.

Your viewpoints would be appreciated. I just want my students to all have a shot at NCLEX after proving themselves to me, not a private vendor.

ERDude

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Hi LPN2RN1972:

am going to be doing my Exit Hesi in a couple weeks and I would be so gratetful if you could send me some of your research about it. Thanks so much in advance.

Mystic

Hi I have been where you guys were. I have info and did a ton of research about the Hesi bc of course where I went to school they did not have a review which is why a lot of people don't pass the first time. If anyone wants my info my IM name is the same as my email address and I will gladly send you my info, bc it is GOOD!! A good thing to know is that there are 4 versions of the tests. This is how it works where I went to school. V-1 exit practice hesi. V2 the 1st exit hesi, V-3 the redo, and then V-4 the last one you can take and then have to retake the last 4 wks of school inculding redoing a ton of preceptorship hours. I would be glad to help anyone, just ask!!

Dear VEEKA25, I am not sure if tht is legal or not. I also feel you should be "grandfathered" in since that was the requirement when you enrolled. Maybe you could appeal the 900 HESI to the board of regents, dean,etc. I am not sure who you need to talk too! A score of 900 is hard to obtain. I personally don't agree that a cretain score will help you pass boards. I believe you could pass boards with a 800 but who am I to decide that. Good luck in school!!!

Specializes in ortho.

At U in Philly, the HESI is the be all and end all to nursing. If you do not pass, you do not get your BSN.

Specializes in ortho.

This is definitely wrong if they switched standards on your cohort midstream. If this is the case, you need to organize as a group and approach the dean; however, they can change standards for the next cohort of students while your groups is still at the old standard.

Specializes in ortho.

The HESI is doable. I went from 79.5/842 to 94/1022 by try #4 and passed NCLEX with 75 q's. It really helped me to organize my study strategy by looking at the trends in my individual HESI results; for example, I started with endocrine, mental health, and leadership then moved to other areas based on weaknesses. I also looked back on former class powerpoints and notes. You will be surprised at how quickly you can go over these materials!

Everything on the HESI test is in the HESI/NCLEX prep book except for some fundamentals (injection techniques, standard precautions...) However, you get much better questions and user-friendly materials by using Reviews/Rationales, Mosby's, and Saunders. I stopped doing comprehensive tests. I reviewed then would flip flop between sources and do 10-25 questions at a time. When I made a test-taking error, I wrote down what I did wrong.

I also really studied testing strategy and this helped tremendously because I am not a fabulous multiple test taker: for example, what is an umbrella question, opposites, not second guessing yourself, etc.... This I learned in NCLEX review courses.

Your best defense is to review and practice q's simultaneously. I find that by just doing q's, you do not get the whole picture of the subject and it becomes an inefficient practice.

Good luck!!!!!!

veeka 25 I am the same exact situtation .60 % of my class failed the hesi some including myself would had pass if the recommended score stayed at 850. The reason why they raised the recommended score is because by April 10,2010 the Nclex test is going to be more diffcult than before. However, I feel that my college did not prepare the students to get a score of 900. When I enter the program I was told that I needed a 850 to graduate, I recieved a 881 on the second try. Veeka 25 you might have a case but it depends on specific factors, did you fail and had to return? how many other students that are in the same situtation as yourself? And out of curiousity is your college in nj? please reply back!

Specializes in ortho.

If you begin with how to read questions and test taking strategies, I think student outcomes will be greater. That was a big issue of mine. Remediation and content review are much easier.

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Hi I have been where you guys were. I have info and did a ton of research about the Hesi bc of course where I went to school they did not have a review which is why a lot of people don't pass the first time. If anyone wants my info my IM name is the same as my email address and I will gladly send you my info, bc it is GOOD!! A good thing to know is that there are 4 versions of the tests. This is how it works where I went to school. V-1 exit practice hesi. V2 the 1st exit hesi, V-3 the redo, and then V-4 the last one you can take and then have to retake the last 4 wks of school inculding redoing a ton of preceptorship hours. I would be glad to help anyone, just ask!!

Hi LPN2RN1972:

I am trying to respond to your posting above re: HESI. I would appreciate the information that helped you in getting through this exam...please let me know how I can get in touch with....I can't seem to send private messages because I haven't posted 15 postings on here but I don't think that should hold me back from being able to communicate or accept your help!. Thank you in advance.

I also wanted to add that I am a member of other nursing forums on the web and the concerns with HESI is similar. I can see this becoming disastrous in the future if not already and I think part of the reason that things are more laidback about this entire HESI matter is because the nursing shortage has drastically been reduce from the recession. But if there were shortages and a need for nurses schools would work with students to get through this, especially if they are good students in all other courses and clinical aspects.

Here's one of my post....

I agree with all of the posts....The concerns that has been expressed by students at my school is the inconsistence of how the HESI is used. For instance when we started the program HESI was 10% of our final grade (but because many of us didn't do well on it and we don't get a second chance, the percentage was dropped to 5%)...then it was 10% (this percentage was mantained) in the next course offered that is suppose to be on NCLEX, then in the third class of like it became 15% (this percentage was also dropped to 10% to avoid a few fails)...but then when we got to the Med-Surg (the main material covered on NCLEX) the exam became 23-24%, NOT OF OUR FINAL GRADE but of our average exam grade. There was so much wrong with this: A) this was our first med-surg course B) we pretty much had 2 finals in ONE day...our original final for the course and then 30 min-1 hour later the HESI (this was based on a 8-10 week course of Med-Surg)...think of the mindset people were in. I'm not sure how many of your programs prep you for the HESI but at our school they lecture on the material they have selected and at times students are sitting in the HESI thinking I NEVER learned about this...so there's no prep time for the HESI at all. I've heard many students in Advisors offices complaining, but our school, like most of yours, do not care to listen or make it better. It is sad because there have been people who struggled on the HESI but then aced the NCLEX...when i was rotating I had one nurse who graduated from the same program 2 years earlier who said she went to the next state, took her test and had her license tranferred...I think things were a bit more loose back then, because when I look at that state I don't see she could have gotten by without involving her school. I get that the idea behind the test is to improve students passing rate on the NCLEX and of course to increase the passing rate percentage of that school...but I think with most regulations, each school have taken it into their hands to make it what they want it to be. I mean how is it that another nursing school 15 minutes away with the same degree requirements only have their students taking the HESI at the end of their program but from what I heard a lot of their students do well on this and on the NCLEX....you would think it would be accross the board. I have been trying to contact the head person of HESI for a long time but never know where to start, i mean who was the brainiac behind this plan...as nurses we work with our hands and yes brains too...it's not ALL about passing test. some people do extremely well in the clinical setting and mediocre in the exam setting. I know; I'm one of them and I don't think I should have some test telling me that I am not capable of being a nurse because I can't take test. What's frustrating is that I can pass a CPR/ACLS or the written part of this type test...but when it comes to these test I freak and my mind goes blank. I CERTAINLY see this becoming a huge problem in the future but it'll take a collaboration of Nursing Students from all over to make a change!

I am so frustrated from this test, last try I had version # 3 and if anyone has any info in version # 4 I would realy appreciated. At this point I do not know what to do, I read the hesi book page per page, I did the cd questions (horrible questions) I am also doing Saunders questions, they are easier than the hesi ones but hesi is comleatly different and I am afraid that I will be confused. If anyone has some info from version 4 or maybe 5 I am not sure how many they are but I know my last one was nr 3 and I thik this time we will have nr 4. From 53 students only 18 passed and if we do not pass this time we do not graduate, can you imagine that, 3 years of no sleep no life for nothing.

Hi,

Can you please email me all of your HESI info that you are talking about? I really need all the help I can get! I am about to take it for the 3rd time!!

Please email me at [email protected]!!

My wife just completed her final quarter of an ADN RN program but received an incomplete for her grade. The school revised the sylabis after the quarter started to limit the students to four attempts at the HESI exit exam which they just switched to the previous quarter. We hired an attorney and he states that they have clearly breached the "contract" or student handbook which in Ohio the courts have ruled is a legally binding contract because it doesn't mention any standardized exams required for graduation. Their claim is that they just changed the requirements for the final class and not the graduation requirements! We have proof that students from the previous quarter took the exit exam at least seven time and at least one never met the 850 benchmark, yet those students graduated and passed the NCLEX on the first attempt! Other students who passed the exit exam on the first try haven't passed the NCLEX after two attempts. The school claims that research backs up the validity of the HESI, but i'm not seeing it! If anyone has any lawsuits that may be relavent in our case could you share it? At this point it is my opinion that the school just wants to bleed up even drier of our money and drag this through court until we can't afford to fight them anymore! Please help

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