Hesi Exit Test

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Hello fellow educators....I am dealing with a dilema which I have no control over as I am a staff member, not administration, but it is just eating away at my concious. My community college uses the HESI exit exam for the ADN and LVN programs. Regardless of how good your GPA is, clinical performance and so on....along April or so, you have to pass a "exit exam" with a score of 850 or better in order to "Walk with your diploma". If you fail to pass the test you are allowed to take it again. If you fail again, you are out. Don't pass go, don't collect you monopoly money!!!! The problem I have with it, and I am not alone in this, IS>>> a couple of students each year per program, fails the HESI, despite being quality nursing students and according to the census of most instructors would pass the NCLEX with no problems. Other schools in our area use the HESi,but as a tool to help the students focus on their areas of weakness. I feel we should not leave it up to a third party vendor to make or break these kids, who have put their lives on hold, pawned everything they own, just to be one of us.

Am I normal to feel this way? I have discussed it with other staff and told it is the policy of the college network, DON'T go there...etc.

Your viewpoints would be appreciated. I just want my students to all have a shot at NCLEX after proving themselves to me, not a private vendor.

ERDude

Hello All,

I am in my last semester of nursing school...you would think I would be excited, right? Wrong!! We had orientation tonight and low and behold, the course curiculum re: Hesi was changed! :banghead: Last semester, the seniors were given an instructor compiled final and had to get an 850 on their exit Hesi. This semester, for us seniors, we now have a Hesi final in which we have to get at least a 700 or we automatically fail, regardless if we recieved 100's on all unit exams. Our exit Hesi score was also raised to 900! When the instructors were asked why, their reply was, "It is a better predictor of how you will do on NCLEX." My problem with this is what should graduating with a degree in applied science have to with taking an NCLEX exam? I know we are all in nursing school to do just that, but I don't feel it is fair to dismiss someone from the program without a chance of at least graduating with some degree and moving on. It's like telling us that if we don't achieve their set score, we aren't good enough or worthy of sitting for state boards! I find it insulting! If anyone can recommend some good review material, I am all ears!

:nurse:

I went to Northwest Louisiana Technical College in Minden, La. They are awesome!

Specializes in Medical-surgical:ortho, cardio, oncology.

Students, this thread on the faculty portion of allnurses is two years old. During that time, this thread has turned into a debate among students, with few or none of the students showing any ability to understand why schools are using this assessment tool.

To help you understand, let me recap an earlier post:

Here is the bottom line:

If a school's first-time NCLEX pass rate falls below a certain percent, the State Board of Nursing becomes involved and could actually close a school if the rates drop too far below a certain percentage. Using NCLEX predictor examinations as a requirement in the program (such as HESI or ATI) allows programs to identify students who are still at risk of failing NCLEX. These students put the put the school at risk of closing, if they are allowed to "take the chance" and then fail the NCLEX.

"Fine!" you may respond. "If a school is not performing, it SHOULD be closed down." In many ways that is true, but think of this: if a school closes due to low pass rates, that is one less school that can serve students who want to be nurses.

Raising admission standards, raising passing percentages in courses, and eliminating "participation points" (and other such grade-inflating credits in courses) would do lot toward keeping only those students in a program who were capable of academic success, and were able to pass NCLEX on the first attempt.

Here is an interesting article on the subject: http://articles.directorym.com/Nursi...-a1022926.html

* Grade inflation is a factor leading to a low NCLEX pass rate in some nursing education programs, particularly in programs that allow significant point credit in theory courses for attendance, participation, and completion of assignments.

* Student characteristics identified by programs as leading to NCLEX failure include a high number of work hours, family commitments, English as a second language, and low admission points. Nursing education programs tend to take similar actions to address NCLEX pass rate concerns.

Actions commonly taken by programs include:

o Initiating the use of an NCLEX predictor examination as a requirement in the program

o Requiring students to complete NCLEX review, tutoring, or other actions if the predictor examination score is low

o Increasing the minimum passing grade

o Providing faculty education in the areas of the NCLEX examination and test development skills

o Changing or increasing admission requirements.

If you would like to debate this topic further, may I suggest that you take this to the student forum?

As a nursing educator, I am not disturbed by students posting to this thread. It is illuminating to see student perceptions of the standardized tests we use, and I believe they raise some legitimate concerns. I think it is clear from their comments that schools are using the tests in different ways and with different passing standards. There are broader academic issues, also, in my opinion, about using such tests as a requirement for graduation.

hi all,

is anyone from California jr. college? are they also require to take the HESI as an exit exam too? any info will be great? what material is used to study for it?

thanks

Specializes in MS, LTC, Post Op.
Students, this thread on the faculty portion of allnurses is two years old. During that time, this thread has turned into a debate among students, with few or none of the students showing any ability to understand why schools are using this assessment tool.

My problem is actually not with the fact that we have to have a HESI...I understand WHY its used, I am cool there.

My problem is the unfairness with MY program in starting an Exit HESI for graduation, 3/4th the way through the program, with none of us having taken a HESI test before. We have our first HESI in December that is worth 10% of our final grade for the quarter. Then the next one will be our exit exam in the spring, that we get three tries, and if we don't pass it, we don't graduate. period. Do Not Pass Go, do not collect $200, your done.

Now, tell me, if I have passed all my classes and passed clinicals, is it fair for a third party vendor to test me, fail me and then, basically, not be allowed my diploma that I am $15,000 in debt for? I can see the school not turning in paperwork to the BON, but to not allow me a diploma because of the HESI, is pretty much BS.

Oh and I post it here, so you faculty can see how your decision effect your students...cause it feels that one is thinking about us, just their pass rate.

Specializes in ICU, Education.

You need to realize that every educator does not feel the same way. You also need to realize there are appropriate channels to take when you have issues with the system. This has been my struggle my whole nursing career (25 years of it)-- so buckle up. I have a lot of passion, but am learning to reign it in for progress. That is my advice to you right now. Channel your energies where they can make a difference. It is not always the attack mode that works.

I am new to using EVOLVE (HESI) but my understanding is that there are resources for students to prepare for the test. This information should be available from instructors. I would advise all students to use the study materials that come with the tests.

I did learn one good thing from my experiences with students taking ATI, which has similarities to HESI: when students successfully completed a series of ATI tests, they were more comfortable (and successful) with the NCLEX. I think success on ATI gave students experience with NCLEX-type questions and lowered their anxiety.

Specializes in Neuro, ER, Acute, Home Health.
Im a teacher and -Hesi---sucks----------

ameN SISTER!!

I was kicked out of my nursing program after finishing it with honors because of a hesi exit exam and a stupid three strike you out policy, 7 years of schooling down the tubes and no nursing diploma to sit for my RN boards..well I sat for my LPN boards because I earned enough clinical hours and passed the first time..I am proud to say I am a nurse :nurse: hesi and the school I went to can go blank themselves..I would have passed the RN boards too, hesi can kiss my bloomin ass :loveya: I'll be an RN someday but for now I am proud to say I am an LPN and I did it all on my own with my faith in God :redpinkhe

I also attended a school that has HESI. Even if you have 100% in class if you don't make a 900 on exit HESI you are out or have to repeat the whole course. Average HESI score in class was 880. How unfair for my fellow students that didn't get to finish RN school and were so worthy. I hope you do go back to school to become a RN you deserve it for yourself. Just check out schools, not all have the HESI in place. God Bless!

Oh I have every intention on moving on, I am a fighter, I think for now I am just gonna try and get some work and put school on the backburner for a little bit, maybe go back next year

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