Hell

i don't know if it's spiritual or mental anguish but yes, i do know what you're talking about.

that's why when i treat my pts, i don't just address the physical pain, but assess for any misgivings, regrets, fears, etc. i try and talk w/them as much as possible, as soon as that therapeutic relationship has been established.

i know i told this story but it still haunts me and there's an important lesson to be learned.

this pt had ca w/mets- alot of pain. he would cry out and we ultimately ended up giving him around 40 mg. of mso4/hr...yet his crying out echoed down the hallways. i looked in his chart and found out that he had abandoned 4 of his sons yrs before. i got in touch with pt's sisters (whose number was in the chart) and one of the sisters gave me the oldest son's number who lived in fla. i called the son up, told him about his father and the son relayed a message that he and his bros lives had been good, and all was forgiven.

i went into the pt's room who was screaming away and i gently touched his shoulder and told him he needed to hear what i was going to say. he looked at me, i relayed the message from his son and suddenly his entire affect changed....he then told me he thought he was going to hell for abandoning his sons but i told him that his sons all had good lives and all was forgiven. he then started talking/praying to God, asking for forgiveness. after a few minutes i left the room- no more screaming and he died a couple of hours later, quietly and (hopefully) peacefully.

so all that screaming had nothing to do w/physical pain but mental anguish.

so severina, whatever your patient was going through, it could have been fear, memories resurfacing, just some sort of anguish....that's really sad.

may he rest peacefully now.

leslie

I've seen deaths like that, Severina. Very, very disturbing.

I usually pray for people who are dying. I wouldn't want anyone to go to a place of eternal torment, and I do believe that there is an afterlife, and a heaven and a hell, precisely because I have seen so many people die.

Some people die and it's peaceful and quiet on the entire unit, like the peace that comes on Christmas Eve. Others are gone before their bodies stop. Still others wrestle with death. But what you described, I have only seen once or twice--and I'm glad. I felt like something evil was in the room.

But enough of that.

Your story also reminds me of a story that I read about a man who did "go to hell" and was in severe spiritual torment. But somehow, he wound up not dying. He was so grateful that he turned his life around and became a minister.

We all have different ways of interpreting the unknown. That's mine, and I respect the rights of others to have their beliefs on the subject.

Years ago I worked for a hospice that had an 'acute care' unit in a converted school / and another in a local hospital. One night we got an admit from home care, a unconscious man who I knew nothing about except name and dx. There was nothing horrific/ gross happening. No one came with him. He was a bit restless too, but died within a couple hours of admission.

Standing in his room before he died was one of the creepiest experiences I'd ever had. After he died, the feeling in the room was 'neutral'.

I had another woman who was fighting all the way down, even after she went unresponsive. She told me that she believed God would heal her even at the last moment, but apparently God was not giving her the answer she wanted to hear.

Very troubling, to be sure.

Like you, Severina, I too pick up on these "vibes", and it doesn't even have to be from a dying person, but just people/situations in general. A type of "spiritual discernment", if you will.

Knowing how to addresse these situatiuons when they arise takes being willing and disciplined enough to put forth the effort required to be truly silent and to LISTEN.. not with the ears, but with your whole being.. mind, heart, and spirit.

May he rest in peace.