GPN working under an RN license

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So I have posed a question on Jan 12. On the nys professional page and yet to receive an answer .. SO I'm coming to you guys ...

as a nys rn I found out after the fact that I am on a gpn permit that works at my facility .. If he makes a med error how will that effect my license ? i worked very hard for my RN license at the age of 50, and I'm not going to let anyone mess with it ...I would love to hear from you guys that can give me concrete evidence based on NYS .. thanks

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No one works "under your license" but you.

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No one works "under your license" but you.

I understand that, but when you have a GPN on your unit ,they have a permit that is sent in to nys , and on that permit you must have 2 Rn license number and I found out that my license number is on his permit that is where my question starts from ...

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When you say GPN do you mean Graduate Practical Nurse? If this is the case, seems to me the person responsible for hiring this unlicensed graduate, meaning the Nurse Manager, Unit Manager, whoever, should have HIS or HER license number on that form. Are you saying your license number was used without your knowledge or consent? I think I'd be having a major FIT right now with my facility management and notifying the BON that this person is not being directly supervised by you.

I didn't even think places still hired graduate nurses, those who haven't yet taken and passed NCLEX. If yours does, it's on the facility management, nursing management to give THEIR license numbers for this foolishness, not yours!

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I understand that, but when you have a GPN on your unit ,they have a permit that is sent in to nys , and on that permit you must have 2 Rn license number and I found out that my license number is on his permit that is where my question starts from ...

Thanks for the clarification.

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This would seem to say that the person must practice under the direct supervision of an RN (which means if you're not at work when he makes an error, you're off the hook). Also a difference between NEW grads and graduates.

Regardless, you are not responsible for his errors unless you have direct knowledge of them before the fact and don't stop him; he has a scope of practice and he is an adult and responsible for it.

From the NYS BoN website:NYS Nursing: Frequently Asked License Questions

  1. Can a nursing school graduate provide nursing services before being licensed and registered to practice as an RN or LPN in New York?

    Answer: In some limited cases, yes.
    • Limited Permits. The New York State Education Department (NYSED) issues limited permits to nursing school graduates who apply for an RN or LPN license and a limited permit and who have met all criteria for the license except for taking the National Council Licensure Examination (NCLEX). The limited permit allows the new graduate nurse to practice under the direct supervision of an RN at the health care facility noted on the limited permit. The supervising RN must be on the patient care unit at all times when a new graduate provides care. The limited permit expires 1 year from the date that NYSED issues it or 10 days after the limited permit holder is notified that she or he failed the NCLEX, whichever happens sooner. An expired limited permit does not legally authorize you to practice nursing. (Note: If you graduated from a nursing school that was taught in a language other than English, you may have to pass a test to demonstrate that you are English Language proficient before NYSED will issue you a limited permit.)
    • New Graduate Practice. If you graduate from a nursing program registered by NYSED as qualifying for an LPN or RN license, and you apply for an RN or LPN license and limited permit with NYSED, you may practice nursing under the direct supervision of an RN during the 90 day period immediately following graduation. The new graduate must practice under the direct supervision of an RN at the health care facility noted on the limited permit application form. The supervising RN must be on the patient care unit at all times when a new graduate provides care.

[*]What is the correct title for nursing school graduates who hold a limited permit issued by the New York State Education Department?

Answer: The correct title for an LPN license applicant who holds a limited permit is Graduate Practical Nurse (GPN). The correct title for an RN license applicant who holds a limited permit is Graduate Nurse (GN). These titles must be displayed identification badges and must also be used when signing official patient-care documents.

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