What Is the Problem With These Nurses? - page 7
I've always thought the "nurses eating their young" phenomenon was somewhat of a misnomer, since we're not their children and I know students can impose a lot of burdens on nurses. But, when you're... Read More
Dec 6, '06Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 73; Likes: 84Change employers. When you work in an institution that encourages continuing and higher education for nurses, respects their knowlege and experience, and rewards their committment financially, you do not see this behavior. There is no reason for any nurse to be bitter. We can go anywhere, work with any type of patient, or no patient at all, and be welcomed with open arms and paid well. If nurses are bitter, it is because they don't understand the immense power they hold. Nurses represent 1% of the US population and 1 in 40 registered voters. Any nurse can leave an unsatisfactory job and have 3-4 offers by noon the same day. Please, if you cannot change where you work, go somewhere you will be treated the way you deserve. You risk becomming that which you dispise if you continue to stay.
Dec 6, '06Joined: Jan '06; Posts: 67; Likes: 112It's not just hostile nurses in clinicals. I have 2 very hostile instructors. I can tolerate the perfection-make you whither with her stare type-when you have screwed up. These two instructors pick out the weak ones with no confidence and knock them down without picking them up later.
Its just another symptom of the nursing shortage. My mom is also in nursing school and she says she is pretty sure they recruited for her instructors at the mental hospital.
Are you unbalanced? Can't work as a hospital nurse? Then, try teaching and eat your young!
Dec 6, '06Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 81; Likes: 11OK, to all of you students and new grads out there, here it is in a nutshell. It sucks in the beginning. We are short-staffed and precepting takes more time and effort, yet mgmt. throws exta pts. on the preceptor because "you have help today". It makes for resentment among the old staff. That is no excuse to treat the newbies that way so don't flame me. If you don't treat the newbies kindly, then they'll never stay. And it fosters that weird cycle of "that's how I was treated so I'm going to do the same when I become the preceptor" attitude. I make the time and try to really teach them. I've had nothing but positive feedback from my students. I love their enthusiasm and utilize them to refresh my memory for the stuff like drip rates that I forgot 10 years ago because we all use pumps now. Remember, you can learn as much from the bad preceptors as you can from the good ones, if for nothing else than how not to do it when it's your turn. Hang in there! M
Dec 6, '06Occupation: RN Joined: Nov '03; Posts: 4,389; Likes: 153Quote from melpnI'm in California where we have ratios. Because of that, we never got more than five patients and, towards the end, I took all five so ... increased patient loads wasn't an excuse for my preceptor.We are short-staffed and precepting takes more time and effort, yet mgmt. throws exta pts. on the preceptor because "you have help today". It makes for resentment among the old staff.
Dec 6, '06Joined: Oct '04; Posts: 927; Likes: 588Wow. I worked with some awesome nurses this semester, and I learned a ton from them. Thank you to all the great preceptors out there!
Dec 6, '06Occupation: Triage Nurse Specialty: 35 year(s) of experience in Med-Surg, , Home health, Education ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '04; Posts: 316; Likes: 134I was an LPN when I went back to school for RN. A nurse at one of the clinical sites treated me horribly the first day. The next day she found out I was already an LPN (for 15 years) and apologized profusely. I explained to her the only thing harder than working with a student was BEING one. I also told her there were other LPN's in the clinical. (there weren't) She told me she thought I should be obligated to tell the nurses I was assigned to that I was already a nurse. I still can't understand her thinking but I'll never forget how she made me feel. I think maybe when nurses treat students that way they feel insecure about slipping up in front of a student. Best of luck to all the students and I hope all your preceptors are kind and understanding.
Dec 6, '06Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 9Yes it's true that Nurses eat their young. But it is up to you to make the nightmare into a positive learning experience. If you think these Nurses are tough, wait til you're on your own and see just how kind and forgiving the general public is! Perhaps that is what you're being prepared for, whether they mean it to be that way or not. My Granddaddy always said that there were more horses asses than there were horses. Next time some jerk is being mean, 1) Picture them in their underwear and 2) Smile sweetly and say, "Thank you for sharing that with me"...say nothing else...use the silence to your advantage, and walk away. Don't let their bad day and attitude ruin yours. BarneyRN
Dec 6, '06Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,008Yes it's true that Nurses eat their young. But it is up to you to make the nightmare into a positive learning experience.
A good start would be to nix the use of that phrase.
Dec 6, '06Joined: Feb '06; Posts: 9I still remember my first clinical as a student nurse. The charge LPN chastised me in front of the group because I didn't give her temperature, pulse, blood pressure and respirations in the "right" order. Years later, I was her nurse when she was incarcerated and I ran the jail medical unit. I said, you probably don't remember me but hey, :spin: What goes around, sometimes comes around.....
Dec 6, '06Occupation: RN-i (RETIRED) Specialty: ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89 ; From: US ; Joined: May '00; Posts: 14,479; Likes: 2,298[font=franklin gothic medium]"a good start would be to nix the use of that phrase."
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[font=franklin gothic medium]amen!!! speak sister marie!!!!!
it is not eating our young. it's being mean.
Dec 6, '06Joined: Jan '06; Posts: 152; Likes: 21Wow! This thread has alot to offer in both aspects. My unit is going to take students for the first time. We are a monitored cardiac unit. I appreciate the insight coming from a student. We have strong personalities. Time management and organization are a must. If you have those skills, then you will do well. I know, I have been there and not for long....lol.
Dec 6, '06Joined: Jul '06; Posts: 1I have found that while I was doing active bedside nursing in the 1970's, that the registered nurses were extremely hard on "undlerlings" in general were treated by the R.N.s and continue to be, probably because of their very advanced and long years of eduction, to try to belittle those of us who didn't have the opportunity to have such an advanced eduction.
In life, as time goes by and depending how much you read and keep up with current journals, the internet and newspapers much can be learned. As well as that there are quite a lot of careers, with many, many ways of keeping yourself up to date. I do not like the fact that registered nurses "Lord their education above us", and would really be happy if they were a little more helpful and not so "full of themselves." The nursing profession was about helping real people, not just flaunting how much education you have or are going to get. Registered nurses seem to forget this, get all caught up with the new technology and don't even seem to have any idea anymore of what real "bedside nursing is".
Anyone want to comment on this ideation? Joyce E. Forbes Registered Practical Nurse, Thunder Bay, ON.
By the way, speaking of technology I am also a registered health record technician with a two year diploma, as well as certification in Ontario and federally in all of Canada.
So, please don't tell me about continuing education in the field of nursing, as there are many, and they are vast and varied. jef
What's the point of being so mean? I'm running my butt off all day, I'm giving all of the meds, doing all of the charting, aide work, etc. for most of the patients. Yet, no matter how hard I work, there's still a constant barrage of criticism ...
Of course, I make mistakes and I definitely need to improve in a lot of areas. No question about it. Nevertheless, I am not a total novice and, despite my shortcomings, I do know I'm making their day a hellava lot easier.
But ... I'm only human, and I do tend to make even more mistakes when I know I'm going to get slammed no matter what I do. After awhile, no matter how tough you are, it's difficult to concentrate and do everything the nurse wants when you know she's hostile and looking for any opportunity to jump on your case ... even when you do things right.
I actually don't need nor do I expect praise or reassurance but, like a lot of people, I don't tend do well when I getting slammed all the time either.
I can't wait to get out of there and let them get back to doing all the work. Thankfully, my days of slave labor will soon be over. I hope they got their jollies because if this is how they make themselves feel better or whatever it is ... good riddance.
Dec 6, '06Occupation: psychrn Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 569; Likes: 29Quote from lizzI admire you for maintaining your demeanor. I take it you are a student? If that is correct, this may be a very valuable learning experience for you.Yeah, I know ... it's an ego thing. It's just that I feel it's a constantly moving target. If I try to improve on one thing, she changes her mind about what she told me earlier. She'll tell me not to do something and then, later, expect me to do it.
I guess I'm supposed to feed egos and, normally, I could do that but, there's only so much crap I can take. I don't know why I'm supposed to bend over backwards even more when I'm being treated like absolute dirt.
It's has taken every ounce of my energy to maintain a professional demeanor, and I have but ... I really just want to explode.
Unfortunately, in this profession, we sometimes have to: bend over backwords; feed egos; take an inordinate amount of crap; be treated like dirt; maintain professional demeanor in the face of unbelievable circumstances.
As a matter of fact, this happens in other professions, too. Fast food, the military, law enforcement immediately come to mind. Do people sometimes explode from the pressure? Yeah. Are all of us as professionals responsible for knowing when to draw the line on how much we can take, step aside and let someone else take over and be responsible for our own healthy stress relief habits? Yeah to that too.
Here's the thing: I believe that a good dose of humility never hurt anyone. And I TRULY believe that those we serve are better served by someone who is humble than by someone who is wrapped up in their own superiority. (I wonder if the nurse you speak of is one of those). She has something to teach you. You were put in this situation for a reason. LEARN from it. She has some years of experience over you. Surely she knows SOMETHING that you don't. Focus on learning from her and then move on. Life is too short to let other people make you miserable.