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alright everybody....i came across this in the paper and the last 2 paragraphs have me fuming....:angryfire as usual, i was turning to you guys to find out your thoughts on this.

for those of you who don't want to read the whole article...here is what has me so angry!!! :devil:

"Andrew Snyder, spokesman for Porter Memorial Health System, said an adequate number of nurses can never replace the comforting opinion of a patient's doctor or word of mouth.

"Both of those carry a heck of a lot more weight than a bunch of numbers," Snyder said."

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Study shows more RNs make for healthier hospitals

PHOTO CAPTION: Donna Lewis-Allen, a registered nurse at St. Anthony Medical Center, checks on patient Edward Teffeau of Lowell during his stay at the Crown Point hospital. (John Luke / The Times)

BY JERRY DAVICH Times Staff Writer

Posted on Monday, July 8, 2002

A higher percentage of registered nurses in a hospital equates to healthier patients, shorter stays and lives saved from deadly complications, a new study confirmed.

However, local hospitals will not reveal their true patient-nurse ratios. In fact, except for St. Anthony Medical Center in Crown Point, local hospitals will not even discuss how many nurses they employ compared to the number of patients they treat.

The study, conducted by Jack Needleman, with the Harvard School of Public Health, found hospital stays are 3 percent to 5 percent shorter when nursing levels are high, and the best-staffed hospitals in the study averaged 2.7 patients per nurse, while the lower ones averaged 3.8.

Needleman estimates that hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths each year stem directly from low nursing levels.

And it's registered nurses -- the most highly skilled -- who can curb this trend and who can be the best advertising for hospitals. This is especially true in a region like ours, which has more open hospital beds than it does patients in need.

The study found no health benefits from more care by either licensed practical nurses or aides, but Carol Schuster from St. Anthony Medical Center doesn't agree.

"We firmly believe that these important health providers do make a difference," even if it's not in identifying serious complications, said Schuster, associate vice president of patient care services.

But, she noted, St. Anthony does not use LPNs or aides in its intensive care or critical care units.

Unlike other hospitals in the area, Schuster freely offered St. Anthony's nursing numbers: Overall, the hospital employs 433 RNs, 31 LPNs and 63 patient care assistants, with a daily average of 108 patients.

But Schuster pointed out that any comparison to the Harvard study would be "misleading" because the study corrected for differences in patients and their diagnoses.

St. Anthony encourages patients and their families to call with staffing questions. "And some people do," she said.

Needleman said nurses are the eyes and ears of the hospital. But observation requires time at the bedside. "Low nurse staffing is a serious problem at many hospitals. It can have severe consequences for patients."

The study showed those consequences to include hospital-acquired pneumonia, shock and cardiac arrest, gastrointestinal bleeding, urinary tract infections and deep venous thrombosis (blood clots).

The death rate also was nearly 3 percent higher for "failure to rescue," a term used to describe a patient's death from these complications.

The results were culled from 1997 data involving 799 hospitals in 11 states (covering more than 6 million patient discharges). It was analyzed to determine how staffing levels of RNs, LPNs and nursing aides compared with patient complications during their hospital stay.

The study, the most comprehensive to date, came as no surprise to nursing groups.

"These findings reinforce what we already know," said Mary E. Foley of the American Nurses Association.

Because of this, the ANA currently is lobbying Congress for passage of the Nurse Reinvestment Act, which will provide scholarships for nursing students and fund stronger recruitment programs. The bill is expected to pass any day now, according to Erin McKeon, from the ANA's government affairs office.

No local numbers available

Do patients ask about nursing numbers? It appears not to be a priority -- yet.

"Most of the time, in this acute care setting, people are concerned with what is happening directly to them, such as procedures, medications and consultations with doctors," said Donna Lewis-Allen, a St. Anthony RN.

However, as a patient's length of stay stretches out, they begin to feel better and develop a relationship with the nurses. "It's then they begin to inquire about our work environment," she said.

Lewis-Allen, who works in cardiac care, has been a nurse at St. Anthony for five years. But some RNs have been there since the hospital opened in 1974, she said.

"There is a family atmosphere here, and many of my patients say they wouldn't go to any other hospital. To me, that is the best advertising."

Local hospitals defend their refusal to discuss nurse-patient ratios by noting that many factors besides nursing come into play when choosing a hospital, including emergency admissions, specific equipment needed and physician referrals.

"Rather than across-the-board nursing ratios, patient care is a process depending on the needs of the patient," said Mary Vidaurri, senior vice president at Ingalls Memorial Hospital in Harvey, Ill.

RNs at Community Healthcare System hospitals are responsible for all aspects of direct patient care, while LPNs provide some care under the supervision of an RN, and nursing aides assist with daily activities like feeding and bathing patients, spokeswoman Mylinda Cane said.

"The staffing levels of the hospitals of the Community Healthcare System are well within regional and national benchmarks," Cane said. "Also, turnover rates at all three Community hospitals are below national averages."

The Methodist Hospitals have a "patient concern" program that offers a 24-hour help line to patients. That number is (219) 886-4290.

"Concerns are forwarded to appropriate managers, who then contact the patient," spokeswoman Carole Biancardi said.

St. Margaret Mercy Healthcare Centers President Gene Diamond did his own analysis of the Harvard study, finding that RNs composed an average of 68 percent of the nursing staff in the 799 hospitals surveyed in 1997.

But this 5-year-old data was "equalized," he noted, taking into account variations in patient population.

"Those variations, however, may not be comparable to the patient population we care for at St. Margaret Mercy," Diamond said.

Regardless, St. Margaret Mercy's two local hospitals both exceed the 68 percent average, he said, "with at least 72 percent of our nursing staff comprised of RNs."

St. Anthony's Schuster said nurse-patient ratios do not underscore the importance of patient care outcomes. These outcomes, which include having a proficient, competent nursing staff, "go well beyond the numbers," she said.

Controversy may grow

In short, local hospitals say shopping for nursing numbers shouldn't be the lone criteria. Even Needleman admitted nurse staffing is an "incomplete measure" of judging hospitals.

"I would not try to get ratio numbers and interpret them. That can be confusing," he said. "I would have a family member or close friend stay in the hospital as a patient advocate.

"The idea of fixed minimum staffing numbers remains controversial," he said. "Better we press for all hospitals to have adequate nurse staffing than think consumer pressure is going to protect our families when we need to be hospitalized.

"Patient empowerment is great, but sometimes empowerment must be directed toward collective action, not individual behavior."

The study is expected to raise concerns over the country's growing nursing shortage. Needleman hopes it prompts action from hospitals, hospital accreditation agencies, public and private payers and public policy makers.

"Patients and citizens should be pressing these organizations and agencies to assure adequate staffing."

But, the study also is expected to intensify pressure on hospitals in disclosing nursing staff numbers to the public, offering choosy consumers a new way to "kick the tires" of a hospital.

In at least one state, Pennsylvania, hospitals must report staffing levels to the state's health department, and the information also is available to the public under freedom of information laws.

Andrew Snyder, spokesman for Porter Memorial Health System, said an adequate number of nurses can never replace the comforting opinion of a patient's doctor or word of mouth.

"Both of those carry a heck of a lot more weight than a bunch of numbers," Snyder said.

Jerry Davich can be reached at [email protected] or (219) 933-3243.

Specializes in OB, M/S, ICU, Neurosciences.

Nope.....nothing that I could find either. Let's keep looking for the next week or so to see if it gets put in another edition.

"Comments on nurses clarified

Clarification

Posted on Friday, July 12, 2002

In Monday's Times, a story regarding nurse-patient ratios quoted Porter Memorial Hospital spokesman Andrew Snyder, whose comments were meant to reflect the view that no study could diminish the importance of Registered Nurses and their contribution to patient care."

jeez, thought they might have been a littler nicer....that is horsesh!t!!! thanks to everyone who wrote them and helped stand up for our profession. you guys rock! :kiss

Well said Suzanne!!

Of course, we will all believe Mr. Snyder's clarification.

I worked 3-11 on a Med-Surg/telemetry floor in 1985 when DRGs first hit. The hospital panicked about reimbursement and cut staff drastically--they left 2 RNs and 2 LPNs on: for 36 patients. Of course, we had no computers then. That helped, I guess.

I transferred to the 8-bed ICCU: still only 2 RNs, no LPNs or aides, but less walking as there were no long halls. On days, we had the luxury of a unit clerk.

I went into anesthesia; more money/one patient at a time.

Sounds like the Suits' attitudes haven't changed a bit.

Just a thought about the number of RNs, LPNs and assistants (aides).

Are they talking number of persons, full-time (40hour/week) equivalents, or something else?

If I count all the zero-based, prn staff in our unit it sounds like we have a huge staff when actual FTE is 6.

Specializes in OB, M/S, ICU, Neurosciences.
Originally posted by sweetnepenthe

Of course, we will all believe Mr. Snyder's clarification.

Sounds like the Suits' attitudes haven't changed a bit.

Here is the email I received from Jerry Davich re: Mr. Snyder's statement:

Hello Suzanne,

Thanks for writing.

Unfortunately, not all of Andrew's comments made it to the final version of my story, and the one that did was taken a bit out of context.

Andrew's brief comment was meant to reflect how a "bunch of (ratio) numbers" in a study can in no way replace a doctor's referral, or word of mouth advertising for a

hospital. It had nothing to do with the importance of RNs.

And I'm making attempts to contact Andrew, too.

Thanks for your time.

Jerry

The Times

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Thank you Shannon for posting the "clarification". I just have to share with all of you what happened to me on Thursday that fit right along the lines of Mr. Snyder's statement. I was taking care of a VIP (G*D, I hate that term--all my patients are VIPs in my book!!!!!) who is a big benefactor to the hospital (and of course made sure that EVERYONE knew it). I was trying to teach this man how to give himself injections, since, at the last minute, the attending decided to send him home on Lovenox. The attending walks in dring the middle of my teaching session and says, "If you'll excuse us, I need to speak with Mr. X and his wife." I was LIVID!!!!! It turns out that they were making plans for when the patient and the physician were going to fly down to another state for a baseball game! I couldn't let it go, especially after I went back into the room and the patient told me what they had discussed. I saw the physician on the unit later that day and asked if I could speak with him. I said, "I was very angry and felt as though I was being dismissed when you came to see Mr. X earlier. I was in the middle of teaching him how to give himself the Lovenox injections that you ordered. I think that held a higher priority than making social plans to go to a baseball game, don't you?" The physician, who is someone I have never had a problem with, just looked at me incredulously, and said, "You're right, and I apologize. I didn't dismiss you, but I see why you thought I did." I went on to explain that my time (I had 3 patients in the ICU, and was BUSY!) was no less valuable than his, and that I, too, had a lot to do that day, and perhaps the conversation he had with the patient would have been best held outside of the hospital. He apologized again and thanked me for bringing it to his attention.

I think I accomplished what I needed to with this physician, although the patient and his wife are still walking away with the belief that the nurse is subservient to the physician. It is this sort of behavior from docs that we must NEVER tolerate--no matter how innocuous. If we are to change public perception, then we have to do it by correcting this kind of behavior when it happens so that patients and families never see this sort of interaction between a doc and a nurse.

I don't think most people, and evidently this includes hospital "suits", have any clue about the things that nurses and other members of the healthcare team do to deliver and support patient care, so I guess that makes it OUR job to educate them!

Enough said......over and out........

:D

bestblondRN

Good for you. I've had to do that a time or two. It may be uncomfortable at first but it is necessary. I'm proud of you!!!!!!

Specializes in correctional, psych, ICU, CCU, ER.

He's a pig. What else can I say?

Until there is an increase in respect for nurses, and recognition for our intelligence and capabilities, ignorant, and irresponsible "quotes" like these will continue to appear. I can certainly see why you have smoke coming from your ears! Some of these newsfolks and hospital corporate-types should have to follow a floor nurse, step-for-step, for a week. I'll bet that their tune would change then!

Specializes in OB, M/S, ICU, Neurosciences.

Thank you all for the support and encouragement following my last several posts.

Love ya' guyz...........:cool:

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