Running PRBC concurrently with NS?!

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Hi,

I'm a new RN working on a medical oncology unit and went off of orientation last week. Today a Dr came in and told me she'd like me to administer 2 units of PRBC's. She added that she'd like the patient's fluids, normal saline, to be reduced to 70 ml/hr during the infusion and returned to 125 ml/hr (the current running rate) after the transfusion was complete. I know you're typically not supposed to mix anything with blood, but being that it was normal saline and that's what we prime the transfusion line with I went to ask my trusted past preceptor what he thought. Together we agreed that I would get a second pump to run the blood through using the Y-port tubing, which is standard on our unit, and then connect it to the line running the NS. I connected the blood line to the lowest port, closest to the insertion site, on the fluids line. When the night shift came on I got reamed for making such a mistake. I don't know if what I did was truly wrong or if I was just being bullied. The RN II on nights is very mean to new nurses, but my colleagues have stated she's especially rough on me. Spending my ride home in tears is pretty commonplace. Anyway, I've spent the last 3 hours googling and haven't found a concrete answer. Though some sites indicate it's ok to run PRBC's concurrently with NS. My old preceptor pulled me aside before he left and told me it was fine and that they're compatible. The RN II said I read the order wrong. The Dr had not written the words "run concurrently". The order just read reduce rate to 70 and then return to 125. But when she verbalized it to me I took it to mean run together. I'm exhausted with anxiety. Besides answering regarding this issue, can you also tell me if things get better... Right now I feel like a failure, because no matter how many times I'm told I'm doing well, this woman (RN II) makes sure I go home feeling incompetent nightly. :/

Thanks in advance fellow nurses!

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.
I doubt a 22g would last very long if I had to run blood/NS at 195ml/hr for the time it take for 2 units to infuse.

Have you ever given a patient a fluid bolus? One liter in an hour or less? What's the administration rate then?

Here's a link to one brand of IV catheter. Note that the flow rate for a 22# catheter is 35mL/min. (2,100mL per hour)

https://www.bd.com/infusion/pdfs/D16128.pdf

If there are other links to information I can pass on please let me know. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the catheters themselves were so fragile.

Have you ever given a patient a fluid bolus? One liter in an hour or less? What's the administration rate then?

If there are other links to information I can pass on please let me know. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the catheters themselves were so fragile.

Experience...sure I've given boluses. Ive bloused (sp??) a unit of blood on a regular floor. The IVs don't last long after that. They leak...and infiltrate all the time.

Maybe it's the type that my hospital uses, but that's just my personal experience working.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

Leaking & infiltration are related to the vein in which the catheter is in ... not the IV itself.

Specializes in Case Mgmt, Anesthesia, ICU, ER, Dialysis.

The size of the IV speaks to the resistance to flow overall. According to Pouseille's Law, decreasing the diameter of a flow tract by 50% will increase resistance by a factor of 16x's. Resistance in an IV also contributes to turbulent flow, (as opposed to laminar). If trying to infuse quickly through a smaller IV, it increases your chances of infiltration.

So you're correct when you say it's not related to the IV itself...directly. But it could be argued that there is an indirect correlation.

Specializes in ER.

OP, you did nothing wrong, and your coworker was nitpicking. Given a few years of experience you'll be able to say "Oh, really, I don't think that's true." and provide her with a reference or invite her to write you up. I notice that the old RN's on this thread are OK with NS and blood together...although most policies will stress not hanging anything with blood, they will also name NS as the ONE exception. If you think about the reasoning behind only using NS with blood you can see that hanging the two running together would work as well. If the pt had a reaction to the blood you'd lose about 20cc NS in the line...easliy replaced.

Tell that RN II, "If you're trying to help me, you're being rude about it. I consult with my preceptor on everything I do and if you have a problem with it, you should speak with him/her."

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