Preferential treatment for new staff - page 2
Does anyone else have a problem with new staff getting preferential treatment? I have worked at the same hospital for eighteen years, and it seems new hires are getting better treatment from... Read More
May 20, '02Occupation: Assessment Nurse Specialty: 39 year(s) of experience in Case Management, Home Health, UM ; Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 2,611; Likes: 940Thank you, Ageless....we Senior Nurses are NOT asking for preferential treatment. We are just asking for the same respect given to our younger colleagues, who have also had to meet the same clinical and academic standards as defined by the NLN and the State Nursing Boards in order to sit the licensing exam and EARN the same title: R.N.
May 20, '02Joined: May '02; Posts: 979; Likes: 11Ageless is right. Senior nurses don't want preferential treatment, just fair treatment. And seniority and years of loyalty should count for something. I earned my place in my hospital, and now brand new staff are getting breaks I never had. I don't want to be told that I cannot have the vacation week I want because that week was promised to a new hire when she signed on, or that I have to work Christmas because someone who has been there less than a year wants to be off. I want new employees to be held to the same professional standards of behavior as I am. I don't expect them to have the same clinical skills I do, that takes time, but courtesy and and a professional demeanor should be an expectation. I would never call a physician an a**hole in front of a patient and family, and if I did, I would expect to be disciplined, even if the doc is an a**hole. It's just not professional. It creates resentment when the person you are orienting brags about his wages, and tells you that he is making the same hourly rate as you. Administration justifies this by telling you he has experience. I don't think after two years in long term care, someone should get the same wage as someone with 18 years acute care experience. All of these incidents have happened to me, and there are many more that I could tell you about. We are lucky in ICU because we have a good manager who does try to be more fair, but still has to abide by the policies set by administration. On some of the nursing units, the favoritism is even more blatant. I don't want to leave my job and start over again. I don't want to give up my seniority and the benefits I have accrued, but I am beginning to think that maybe I should go somewhere else and be the new person.
May 20, '02Occupation: Acute Rehab Nurse Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 311; Likes: 1Hi all.....well....I don't know what to say here. I consider myself a 'senior nurse'....having been in this profession for over 23 years, but I'm a 'new hire' at one of our large hospitals here in the St.Louis area.
Everybody has been SO nice and supportive. I sure hope I don't cause these kinds of feelings with my 'new' co-workers. I have not worked in the hospital setting for several....several years and all the new 'technology' is ,at times, overwhelming, but I'm really enjoying it and thankful for the new surroundings.
Yes, I did get a large bonus. Yes, I was offerred the choice of 8 or 12 hr. days....You just can't imagine how thankful I am for that! I was seriously considering leaving nursing.
With our shortage now days, if student nurses and new grads are met with these types of attitudes, (even seasoned nurses entering the hospital setting) I can't say I blame them in developing 'attitudes' themselves or even leaving.
But on the other hand, I certianly understand the 'other side of the coin' here.
Maybe you 'senior' nurses could take one of the new members of the team under your wing and REALLY teach them what REAL nursing is all about????
May 20, '02Occupation: student Joined: May '02; Posts: 16; Likes: 1to the senior nurses here....I am a student now...I'll be 40 next month so I'm a little late getting started, but I just want you to know that there are those of us who don't feel that we "know it all" and WILL respect the experience and wisdom from seasoned nurses. Since I have been reading these post, I feel that I have already learned so much from nurses who have been the profesion several years. I have even started a file of procedures some of you have recommended and when you write a term I don't understand, I look it up so I can follow the conversations. You have answered questions I did'nt even know I had and I have enormous respect for each of you. I hope and pray that when I am a newly graduated nurse I will be fortunate to work with a class act such as you are. I will be the one asking LOTS of questions. ha God Bless each of you.
May 20, '02Occupation: Nurse Educator: love those students! Specialty: Med/Surg,ER,L&D,ICU,OR,nrs. educator ; Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 968; Likes: 41Is this a generational thing? The 'young ones' don't want to "pay their dues" and want the good hours right away, the time off whenever they want it "or I'm outa here" or "I'll just take it and see if they'll do anything about it", the attitude of "oops! oh well" and "I know that".
Has the work ethic been lost in this generation?
May 20, '02Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 387Oh ceecel.dee I hate it when people say that. I am of the younger generation (in my 20s) and have a very good work ethic. Laziness goes to all ages (for every "young slacker" there is an experienced nurse who needs to be "put out to pasture")!
I think rotating time off and holidays is the only fair way. I don't think a young nurse has any dues to pay if she is doing the same job as a more experienced nurse, and we'll never be able to retain new people if they only get the short end of the stick. If everyone would be willing to work their share of weekends and nights and holidays, things are nicer for the whole staff.
May 20, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159I am all for equality, Fergus, and we have been exchanging posts for some time and you already know this about me, more than likely.
What I DO object to is new hires being catered to, with old hires picking up the slack. If new hires feel 'eaten' this may be what is going on... remember new hires, you are 'taking' energy from the staff...energy we may not have to spare; and we are many times exhausted before you got there. So....give us a break. We are more than happy to help you if you display a learning attitude. But don't be surprised if you come in 'entitled' and aren't shown a lot of love...know what I mean???
Peace!!!Last edit by mattsmom81 on May 20, '02
May 20, '02Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 387I don't feel the need to cater to new people either, just to be fair. I hate hearing newer nurses whine about not getting as much money as more experienced nurses and I hate hearing more experienced nurses whining about having to work a weekend here and there (especially when I have been here longer than they have!). Sharing makes EVERYONE better....
May 21, '02Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 10,236; Likes: 64I've been a nurse for 4 years now, but I'm already seeing some of this at my hospital. We recently hired in some new grads that took positions. After about a month, several of them decided these postions weren't convenient for them, and went over our supervisors head to tell her supervisor that either they got what they wanted, or they walked. They got it.
In terms of new nurses walking right into choice hours, I started on days. It was offered to me, and I took it. I didn't ask for it. In fact, when they asked at my interview, I said that I would prefer days, but I wanted to work at that facility so badly, that I was willing to work whatever they offered me. I got some attitude from some nurses. I told them flat out, take it up with your supervisor - I took what was offered to me as you would have.
I'm with you fergus about time off and holidays. Our hospital works on a first come first served basis. No special considerations for senority. It puts us all on the same level, no one better than anyone else (just faster )
For some, the complaining of preferential treatment of new nurses turns into the complaining of a nurse that she is not the one receiving the preferential treatment. What entitles a senor nurses to Christmas off before me? Why, because of my age, am I required to suffer and "pay my dues"?
There is so much infighting in nursing, and it only takes the light off the real problem, which is management. As long as we are so concerned with who gets what among each other, it takes the light off them. Who caters to the newbies and allows them to act as they do? Management. Who gives them whatever they ask for ? Management. Who grants their time and holidays off? Management. Who is responsible for picking and choosing who gets what? Management. Does anyone see a theme here? Management are the responsible ones here. They've learned how to use and manipulate us to their liking. Are they losing anything? Nope. Are we? Yup.
Don't hate the new nurse for what she is offered. Hate the people that offer it to her knowing the animosity it will breed.
I wanted to say so much here. I wanted to offer the other side, while still showing it was an unfair practice.
May 21, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159You are absolutely right Heather, I totally agree.
May 21, '02Occupation: Nurse Educator: love those students! Specialty: Med/Surg,ER,L&D,ICU,OR,nrs. educator ; Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 968; Likes: 41If management would decide on issues consistantly, regardless of who the nurse is, we may know what to expect of them and could better address concerns....but must we HATE management?
May 21, '02Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 101; Likes: 1I mostly agree with Heather. Don't get upset with the new hire, get upset with mgmt for disregarding the senior staff.
Don't hate the player, hate the game...cliche and I know it.
And at the same time, a new hire should show professionalism. Discussing salaries is not professional. At my last job(different industry), we were subject to termination for discussing salaries. An "I don't care" attitude is not professional.
Management should counsel any nurse whose conduct violates the facility's written standards of professionalism.
I think I understand senior staff's reasons for wanting first dibbs on vacations, promotions, transfers, shift requests, etc. Working at the same facility for many years shows some degree of loyalty, dependability and knowledge. You have somehow managed to do your job despite all the crap thrown in your way. Mgmt would have gotten rid of you a long time ago if they believed your nursing care was substandard. So perhaps this is why you feel "entitled" to have consideration over new hires concerning certain things?
I just don't want to be dumped on when I become a new nurse. I don't want to work holidays all the time. I'd like to work the shift I want the most. I don't want other staff asking me in various ways about my salary/signing bonus. I don't want to be nitpicked .
I DON'T WANT TO BE EATEN!
I want to be respected, encouraged and recognized for good work. Same wants as senior nurses.Last edit by NurseExplorer on May 21, '02
May 21, '02Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 468; Likes: 20Recently there was a lawsuit over the issue of employees discussing their salary. Wish I could remember the name of the litigants..if necessary, I could find it.
Anyway, an employee was fired because she/he discussed his/her salary with his peers. The employee sued and won in federal court. The court decided this policy was illegal and that it was only the employer who could not divulge that private information. The employee was free to talk of his private financial matters to whomever he/she chose. The court went futher to say that such policy was inherently made to prevent fair wages.
INHO salary discussion has absolutely nothing to do with professionalism. It is propaganda put out by management as a means of control.