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While I certainly believe that alot of nursing homes don't do as good as a job as they should, their are certain things about this article that I would like to educate the public on:

1) the nursing shortage and staffing ratios mandated by the state prevent us from giving one on one care-we are really busy and tired and I encourage family members to come in and help feed, etc. We couldn't do it without them!

2) family members' presence and questions DO help - they know the resident better than we do and also, if they speak up in this crazy healthcare system, they can ensure the resident gets better care.

3) many families insist that Mother sit up in the wheelchair all day, and wonder why is she tired, sitting in the hall in her wheelchair, slumped over sleeping? Because you insist that she not be able to be laid down after lunch and she is 96, she is tired and I didn't want to disturb her. Also, I invite you to come sit in a wheelchair all day and see how darn interesting you think living in a nursing home is- all kinds of lovely sights and smells. And sounds, like "I want to go home and I want my mother" and "How do I get out of here?" Activities can only do so much to cut into the boredom and depression that come from getting very old and losing everything you ever held dear- like income, mobility, social contacts and roles, life roles like the grandmother, the boss, the sister, the bread winner.

4) the respirdol or ativan we gave your father in the am is due to his hitting the aids repeatedly, or your mother yelling at the top of her lungs such things as "Don't rape me!". I feel so much sadness for her and have tried EVERY intervention from touch and therapeutic conversation, but she has done this every night for the last 2 months and the Psychiatrist prescribed the medication: we will carefully monitor it for side effects, and yes, sometimes before we get the dosage just right, the resident is zonked and I call the MD right away to let him know and get the dosage reduced or the medication changed.

5) We are careful not to use medication as a restraint, and the state monitors things like this very closely. We want your loved one to be happy and safe.

Here is the article- please give me suggestions to respond in such a way as to help our elderly population and take away the negative connation that we all medicate our elderly to make less care.

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20021020watank4.asphttp://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20021020watank4.asp

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Think Tank: Nursing suspicions

Panelists believe patients are put in an overmedicated stupor so they're docile

Sunday, October 20, 2002

While good nursing homes bridge the move from hospital to home, bad ones are criticized for doing little more than warehousing the elderly. Visit a nursing home as patients in wheelchairs nod off around the nursing station and you get the picture.

Elmo George of South Franklin, Sam Cushey of Peters, Bill Brna and Maya Patch, both of Carroll, Bernie Hobach of Washington and Verteree Johnson of Clarksville discuss whether senior citizens are overmedicated.

Patch believes they are. She coined a term for the drug-induced state she's seen in some nursing home patients -- zombie-ized. She believes patients have been drugged into a zombie state to make them more manageable.

Her suspicions about overmedication were raised when her mother-in-law, Dora Patch, was admitted to the hospital with congestive heart failure. She was prescribed medication in addition to what she already had been taking, Patch said. After being released, her mother-in-law was readmitted and taken off all her medication -- about 14 pills at the time. The scenario made Patch question why all the medication was necessary in the first place.

The response she got from health-care professionals was "'We want to keep her comfortable.' Could they all be that sick that they have to be zombie-ized?" Patch asked.

Patch does not oppose drugs when necessary for illness such as high blood pressure or diabetes but questioned medication that makes patients lie in bed and sleep all day.

"That's what they call you're being warehoused," said Hobach, who cited a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association that of people older than 65, nearly 25 percent a year are overmedicated.

If a patient is not mentally sharp enough to inquire about what doctors and nurses are doing, George said, he has to have family members or an advocate to speak on his behalf. It requires constant surveillance of what the medication is, the dosage and the frequency, why it's being taken and how it interacts with other drugs.

George, too, finds patients are frequently overmedicated. When attending to the care of his wife and later his sister, George said, he made sure he knew when the doctor was going to be in the hospital so he could ask questions.

Brna suspects overmedication has a lot to do with American culture.

"We've become a drug culture in this country -- prescription drugs or whatever. Somebody goes to a doctor -- I don't care who it is -- they do not feel that they get any good out of the visit unless the doctor prescribes a pill," he said.

Often the doctor will not tell the patient why he's prescribing the pill or discuss its side effects, Brna said. He also faults doctors for paying too little attention to medications the patient already is taking.

Johnson, too, believes patients are overmedicated. She noticed it when she placed her son, Carlton, in a nursing home for a brief time.

"I could tell he was overmedicated because all he did was sleep," said Johnson, who noticed the same lethargy in a neighbor when she visited him in a nursing home.

Like the other seniors, she said, "I think they do use medication to keep [patients] quiet. Most of those people who are in facilities, that's a way of controlling them. They are almost like zombies, slowed down so much so they couldn't think straight."

Cushey said he, too, had been to quite a few nursing homes. He's seen patients sitting in the hall and hanging over chairs, leaving no doubt in his mind there are too few personnel to care for patients. Their solution is to put people near the nurses' station, where the person at the desk can watch them.

But when you make a human being a zombie, you're wrong, Patch said. While she did not want to demean everything about hospital care, she did say of health-care professionals: "When you feel you've gotten that way or you're not compassionate enough to do whatever you have to do or you're so hardened, you should get out of that profession."

Since the experience with her mother-in-law, Patch said, she's become leery of taking drugs just because a doctor advises it.

"That's because you have your mental faculties," George said, referring to those seniors ill-equipped to stand up to the medical establishment.

"I agree with you," Patch said.

George believes seniors, for their own good, should take notes and recall what was discussed when visiting their doctors.

Patch said that for people of her generation, going to the doctor was thought of as if you went to God.

"I hope that people that are younger than us will start to ask more questions and realize that this could be them. Would you like to just be put asleep in a bed because 'I don't have time for you' or whatever the reason is?" she asked.

Lynda Guydon Taylor can be reached at [email protected] or 724-746-8813.

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Originally posted by cargal

While I certainly believe that alot of nursing homes don't do as good as a job as they should, their are certain things about this article that I would like to educate the public on:

1) the nursing shortage and staffing ratios mandated by the state prevent us from giving one on one care-we are really busy and tired and I encourage family members to come in and help feed, etc. We couldn't do it without them!

2) family members' presence and questions DO help - they know the resident better than we do and also, if they speak up in this crazy healthcare system, they can ensure the resident gets better care.

3) many families insist that Mother sit up in the wheelchair all day, and wonder why is she tired, sitting in the hall in her wheelchair, slumped over sleeping? Because you insist that she not be able to be laid down after lunch and she is 96, she is tired and I didn't want to disturb her. Also, I invite you to come sit in a wheelchair all day and see how darn interesting you think living in a nursing home is- all kinds of lovely sights and smells. And sounds, like "I want to go home and I want my mother" and "How do I get out of here?" Activities can only do so much to cut into the boredom and depression that come from getting very old and losing everything you ever held dear- like income, mobility, social contacts and roles, life roles like the grandmother, the boss, the sister, the bread winner.

4) the respirdol or ativan we gave your father in the am is due to his hitting the aids repeatedly, or your mother yelling at the top of her lungs such things as "Don't rape me!". I feel so much sadness for her and have tried EVERY intervention from touch and therapeutic conversation, but she has done this every night for the last 2 months and the Psychiatrist prescribed the medication: we will carefully monitor it for side effects, and yes, sometimes before we get the dosage just right, the resident is zonked and I call the MD right away to let him know and get the dosage reduced or the medication changed.

5) We are careful not to use medication as a restraint, and the state monitors things like this very closely. We want your loved one to be happy and safe.

Here is the article- please give me suggestions to respond in such a way as to help our elderly population and take away the negative connation that we all medicate our elderly to make less care.

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20021020watank4.asphttp://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20021020watank4.asp

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Think Tank: Nursing suspicions

Panelists believe patients are put in an overmedicated stupor so they're docile

Sunday, October 20, 2002

While good nursing homes bridge the move from hospital to home, bad ones are criticized for doing little more than warehousing the elderly. Visit a nursing home as patients in wheelchairs nod off around the nursing station and you get the picture.

Elmo George of South Franklin, Sam Cushey of Peters, Bill Brna and Maya Patch, both of Carroll, Bernie Hobach of Washington and Verteree Johnson of Clarksville discuss whether senior citizens are overmedicated.

Patch believes they are. She coined a term for the drug-induced state she's seen in some nursing home patients -- zombie-ized. She believes patients have been drugged into a zombie state to make them more manageable.

Her suspicions about overmedication were raised when her mother-in-law, Dora Patch, was admitted to the hospital with congestive heart failure. She was prescribed medication in addition to what she already had been taking, Patch said. After being released, her mother-in-law was readmitted and taken off all her medication -- about 14 pills at the time. The scenario made Patch question why all the medication was necessary in the first place.

The response she got from health-care professionals was "'We want to keep her comfortable.' Could they all be that sick that they have to be zombie-ized?" Patch asked.

Patch does not oppose drugs when necessary for illness such as high blood pressure or diabetes but questioned medication that makes patients lie in bed and sleep all day.

"That's what they call you're being warehoused," said Hobach, who cited a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association that of people older than 65, nearly 25 percent a year are overmedicated.

If a patient is not mentally sharp enough to inquire about what doctors and nurses are doing, George said, he has to have family members or an advocate to speak on his behalf. It requires constant surveillance of what the medication is, the dosage and the frequency, why it's being taken and how it interacts with other drugs.

George, too, finds patients are frequently overmedicated. When attending to the care of his wife and later his sister, George said, he made sure he knew when the doctor was going to be in the hospital so he could ask questions.

Brna suspects overmedication has a lot to do with American culture.

"We've become a drug culture in this country -- prescription drugs or whatever. Somebody goes to a doctor -- I don't care who it is -- they do not feel that they get any good out of the visit unless the doctor prescribes a pill," he said.

Often the doctor will not tell the patient why he's prescribing the pill or discuss its side effects, Brna said. He also faults doctors for paying too little attention to medications the patient already is taking.

Johnson, too, believes patients are overmedicated. She noticed it when she placed her son, Carlton, in a nursing home for a brief time.

"I could tell he was overmedicated because all he did was sleep," said Johnson, who noticed the same lethargy in a neighbor when she visited him in a nursing home.

Like the other seniors, she said, "I think they do use medication to keep [patients] quiet. Most of those people who are in facilities, that's a way of controlling them. They are almost like zombies, slowed down so much so they couldn't think straight."

Cushey said he, too, had been to quite a few nursing homes. He's seen patients sitting in the hall and hanging over chairs, leaving no doubt in his mind there are too few personnel to care for patients. Their solution is to put people near the nurses' station, where the person at the desk can watch them.

But when you make a human being a zombie, you're wrong, Patch said. While she did not want to demean everything about hospital care, she did say of health-care professionals: "When you feel you've gotten that way or you're not compassionate enough to do whatever you have to do or you're so hardened, you should get out of that profession."

Since the experience with her mother-in-law, Patch said, she's become leery of taking drugs just because a doctor advises it.

"That's because you have your mental faculties," George said, referring to those seniors ill-equipped to stand up to the medical establishment.

"I agree with you," Patch said.

George believes seniors, for their own good, should take notes and recall what was discussed when visiting their doctors.

Patch said that for people of her generation, going to the doctor was thought of as if you went to God.

"I hope that people that are younger than us will start to ask more questions and realize that this could be them. Would you like to just be put asleep in a bed because 'I don't have time for you' or whatever the reason is?" she asked.

Lynda Guydon Taylor can be reached at [email protected] or 724-746-8813.QUOTE] >I e-mailed the author several days ago-she promptly answered back.Was very open to receiving information contradicting that article.Seems she has written another article that I was unable to find in the archives in which she quotes her RN expert=a nursing instructor-not one whom has recently or is currently actually working in acute or long term care.She was very appreciative of information. I take offense to so many quotes in that article-First-the fact that thses people are so eager to give someone else responsibility for their care "They" prescribe meds and don't tell us what they are" So-it is the patients or significant others responsibility to gather that info if it is not offered freely. As for residents seated around the nurses station-it is for their own safety.I have 44 residents on my unit-and no-not enough staff to give them all 1 to 1 care....As far as health care professionals becoming "hardened"-I will NOT set myself up to be emotionally destroyed at work...I have suffered loss in my personal life aplenty-I don't need to bear the burden of all of my patients.I can give compassionate care without bawling and snotting at every bedside(I wait until I get in my car) The article did offer some good advice-primarily to seniors advising them to keep a written record-I have told my pts for years to do so.including a list of all of their meds...... -

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
Originally posted by cargal

While I certainly believe that alot of nursing homes don't do as good as a job as they should, their are certain things about this article that I would like to educate the public on:

1) the nursing shortage and staffing ratios mandated by the state prevent us from giving one on one care-we are really busy and tired and I encourage family members to come in and help feed, etc. We couldn't do it without them!

2) family members' presence and questions DO help - they know the resident better than we do and also, if they speak up in this crazy healthcare system, they can ensure the resident gets better care.

3) many families insist that Mother sit up in the wheelchair all day, and wonder why is she tired, sitting in the hall in her wheelchair, slumped over sleeping? Because you insist that she not be able to be laid down after lunch and she is 96, she is tired and I didn't want to disturb her. Also, I invite you to come sit in a wheelchair all day and see how darn interesting you think living in a nursing home is- all kinds of lovely sights and smells. And sounds, like "I want to go home and I want my mother" and "How do I get out of here?" Activities can only do so much to cut into the boredom and depression that come from getting very old and losing everything you ever held dear- like income, mobility, social contacts and roles, life roles like the grandmother, the boss, the sister, the bread winner.

4) the respirdol or ativan we gave your father in the am is due to his hitting the aids repeatedly, or your mother yelling at the top of her lungs such things as "Don't rape me!". I feel so much sadness for her and have tried EVERY intervention from touch and therapeutic conversation, but she has done this every night for the last 2 months and the Psychiatrist prescribed the medication: we will carefully monitor it for side effects, and yes, sometimes before we get the dosage just right, the resident is zonked and I call the MD right away to let him know and get the dosage reduced or the medication changed.

5) We are careful not to use medication as a restraint, and the state monitors things like this very closely. We want your loved one to be happy and safe.

Here is the article- please give me suggestions to respond in such a way as to help our elderly population and take away the negative connation that we all medicate our elderly to make less care.

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20021020watank4.asphttp://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20021020watank4.asp

Home > Local News > Neighborhoods

Think Tank: Nursing suspicions

Panelists believe patients are put in an overmedicated stupor so they're docile

Sunday, October 20, 2002

While good nursing homes bridge the move from hospital to home, bad ones are criticized for doing little more than warehousing the elderly. Visit a nursing home as patients in wheelchairs nod off around the nursing station and you get the picture.

Elmo George of South Franklin, Sam Cushey of Peters, Bill Brna and Maya Patch, both of Carroll, Bernie Hobach of Washington and Verteree Johnson of Clarksville discuss whether senior citizens are overmedicated.

Patch believes they are. She coined a term for the drug-induced state she's seen in some nursing home patients -- zombie-ized. She believes patients have been drugged into a zombie state to make them more manageable.

Her suspicions about overmedication were raised when her mother-in-law, Dora Patch, was admitted to the hospital with congestive heart failure. She was prescribed medication in addition to what she already had been taking, Patch said. After being released, her mother-in-law was readmitted and taken off all her medication -- about 14 pills at the time. The scenario made Patch question why all the medication was necessary in the first place.

The response she got from health-care professionals was "'We want to keep her comfortable.' Could they all be that sick that they have to be zombie-ized?" Patch asked.

Patch does not oppose drugs when necessary for illness such as high blood pressure or diabetes but questioned medication that makes patients lie in bed and sleep all day.

"That's what they call you're being warehoused," said Hobach, who cited a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association that of people older than 65, nearly 25 percent a year are overmedicated.

If a patient is not mentally sharp enough to inquire about what doctors and nurses are doing, George said, he has to have family members or an advocate to speak on his behalf. It requires constant surveillance of what the medication is, the dosage and the frequency, why it's being taken and how it interacts with other drugs.

George, too, finds patients are frequently overmedicated. When attending to the care of his wife and later his sister, George said, he made sure he knew when the doctor was going to be in the hospital so he could ask questions.

Brna suspects overmedication has a lot to do with American culture.

"We've become a drug culture in this country -- prescription drugs or whatever. Somebody goes to a doctor -- I don't care who it is -- they do not feel that they get any good out of the visit unless the doctor prescribes a pill," he said.

Often the doctor will not tell the patient why he's prescribing the pill or discuss its side effects, Brna said. He also faults doctors for paying too little attention to medications the patient already is taking.

Johnson, too, believes patients are overmedicated. She noticed it when she placed her son, Carlton, in a nursing home for a brief time.

"I could tell he was overmedicated because all he did was sleep," said Johnson, who noticed the same lethargy in a neighbor when she visited him in a nursing home.

Like the other seniors, she said, "I think they do use medication to keep [patients] quiet. Most of those people who are in facilities, that's a way of controlling them. They are almost like zombies, slowed down so much so they couldn't think straight."

Cushey said he, too, had been to quite a few nursing homes. He's seen patients sitting in the hall and hanging over chairs, leaving no doubt in his mind there are too few personnel to care for patients. Their solution is to put people near the nurses' station, where the person at the desk can watch them.

But when you make a human being a zombie, you're wrong, Patch said. While she did not want to demean everything about hospital care, she did say of health-care professionals: "When you feel you've gotten that way or you're not compassionate enough to do whatever you have to do or you're so hardened, you should get out of that profession."

Since the experience with her mother-in-law, Patch said, she's become leery of taking drugs just because a doctor advises it.

"That's because you have your mental faculties," George said, referring to those seniors ill-equipped to stand up to the medical establishment.

"I agree with you," Patch said.

George believes seniors, for their own good, should take notes and recall what was discussed when visiting their doctors.

Patch said that for people of her generation, going to the doctor was thought of as if you went to God.

"I hope that people that are younger than us will start to ask more questions and realize that this could be them. Would you like to just be put asleep in a bed because 'I don't have time for you' or whatever the reason is?" she asked.

Lynda Guydon Taylor can be reached at [email protected] or 724-746-8813.QUOTE] >I e-mailed the author several days ago-she promptly answered back.Was very open to receiving information contradicting that article.Seems she has written another article that I was unable to find in the archives in which she quotes her RN expert=a nursing instructor-not one whom has recently or is currently actually working in acute or long term care.She was very appreciative of information. I take offense to so many quotes in that article-First-the fact that thses people are so eager to give someone else responsibility for their care "They" prescribe meds and don't tell us what they are" So-it is the patients or significant others responsibility to gather that info if it is not offered freely. As for residents seated around the nurses station-it is for their own safety.I have 44 residents on my unit-and no-not enough staff to give them all 1 to 1 care....As far as health care professionals becoming "hardened"-I will NOT set myself up to be emotionally destroyed at work...I have suffered loss in my personal life aplenty-I don't need to bear the burden of all of my patients.I can give compassionate care without bawling and snotting at every bedside(I wait until I get in my car) The article did offer some good advice-primarily to seniors advising them to keep a written record-I have told my pts for years to do so.including a list of all of their meds...... -

Here is the article, ktwlpn. It is also found on the front page of alnurse.com. Boy you guys make some great points, I am glad I posted. I will write a reply to the paper soon.

http://www.allnurses.com/news/jump.cgi?ID=1178

A View from the Experts: Former prof hopes overuse of medication is waning

Sunday, October 20, 2002

By Lynda Guydon Taylor, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

It's no secret to nursing homes that an overmedicated patient means less work for staff members, said Estella Hyde, a retired nursing professor at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania.

A drugged patient is one who is not going to make demands on the staff, said Hyde, an AARP executive council volunteer. An overmedicated patient also is one for whom staff members do not have to provide activities.

When Hyde was a professor of nursing, she said she had students in nursing homes who told her of what was going on in the facilities. This was something nurses talked about all the time, she said. It's easy for these types of abuses to occur when doctors visit only about once a month.

Although unaware of what the situation is now, Hyde said, she'd like to think it's changed in the past five to 10 years. She hopes that what the staff does has changed and has resulted in more activities planned for patients today.

Asked how many deaths might be attributed to overmedication, Hyde said she wasn't sure that could be determined. When a patient dies in a nursing home, that death is generally considered routine. A nursing home patient is someone whose health already is compromised, she said, so there's no inclination to question it.

If this kind of abuse occurs, Hyde said, it's more likely to happen in a personal care home than in a hospital, where even in the case of serious ailments, the stay is usually short term. She acknowledged that inadequate staffing in personal care homes could be a problem leading to overmedication.

Adding to the problem is the fact that elderly patients tend to revere a doctor's exalted status. They're not likely to question a doctor's authority because they were raised during a time when the doctor was considered almost a god. She sees people in their 60s and 50s taking a different stance, however. Those younger than 50 question their doctors all the time and consider them more as collaborators in their health care.

While the Pennsylvania Chapter of the AARP has not received any complaints of overmedication in the past year, the organization does what it can to alert members to the dangers of another problem: harmful drug interactions. In television ads and brochures, consumers are urged to report to their physician all the drugs they are taking, including over-the-counter varieties. AARP encourages consumers to discuss their medication with their health-care providers, Hyde said.

If a family suspects a loved one is being abused, no matter the method -- whether it's overmedication, improper feeding or whatever -- those suspicions should be reported to the facility's administrator or director of nursing. If they don't get a satisfactory response from the facility, they can report their concerns to the state's Protective Services hot line at 1-800-537-2424 or the Department of Health at 1-800-254-5164.

According to the Department of Aging, which operates Protective Services, in the 1999-2000 reporting period, the state's area aging agencies received 10,991 reports of physical, sexual or other forms of abuse. Of those, 2,703 were substantiated. Those cases included health, safety or welfare complaints involving the elderly.

Lynda Guydon Taylor can be reached at [email protected] or 724-746-8813.

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Here is the article, ktwlpn. It is also found on the front page of alnurse.com. Boy you guys make some great points, I am glad I posted. I will write a reply to the paper soon.

http://www.allnurses.com/news/jump.cgi?ID=1178

A View from the Experts: Former prof hopes overuse of medication is waning

Sunday, October 20, 2002

By Lynda Guydon Taylor, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

It's no secret to nursing homes that an overmedicated patient means less work for staff members, said Estella Hyde, a retired nursing professor at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania.

A drugged patient is one who is not going to make demands on the staff, said Hyde, an AARP executive council volunteer. An overmedicated patient also is one for whom staff members do not have to provide activities.

When Hyde was a professor of nursing, she said she had students in nursing homes who told her of what was going on in the facilities. This was something nurses talked about all the time, she said. It's easy for these types of abuses to occur when doctors visit only about once a month.

Although unaware of what the situation is now, Hyde said, she'd like to think it's changed in the past five to 10 years. She hopes that what the staff does has changed and has resulted in more activities planned for patients today.

Asked how many deaths might be attributed to overmedication, Hyde said she wasn't sure that could be determined. When a patient dies in a nursing home, that death is generally considered routine. A nursing home patient is someone whose health already is compromised, she said, so there's no inclination to question it.

If this kind of abuse occurs, Hyde said, it's more likely to happen in a personal care home than in a hospital, where even in the case of serious ailments, the stay is usually short term. She acknowledged that inadequate staffing in personal care homes could be a problem leading to overmedication.

Adding to the problem is the fact that elderly patients tend to revere a doctor's exalted status. They're not likely to question a doctor's authority because they were raised during a time when the doctor was considered almost a god. She sees people in their 60s and 50s taking a different stance, however. Those younger than 50 question their doctors all the time and consider them more as collaborators in their health care.

While the Pennsylvania Chapter of the AARP has not received any complaints of overmedication in the past year, the organization does what it can to alert members to the dangers of another problem: harmful drug interactions. In television ads and brochures, consumers are urged to report to their physician all the drugs they are taking, including over-the-counter varieties. AARP encourages consumers to discuss their medication with their health-care providers, Hyde said.

If a family suspects a loved one is being abused, no matter the method -- whether it's overmedication, improper feeding or whatever -- those suspicions should be reported to the facility's administrator or director of nursing. If they don't get a satisfactory response from the facility, they can report their concerns to the state's Protective Services hot line at 1-800-537-2424 or the Department of Health at 1-800-254-5164.

According to the Department of Aging, which operates Protective Services, in the 1999-2000 reporting period, the state's area aging agencies received 10,991 reports of physical, sexual or other forms of abuse. Of those, 2,703 were substantiated. Those cases included health, safety or welfare complaints involving the elderly.

Lynda Guydon Taylor can be reached at [email protected] or 724-746-8813.

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Originally posted by cargal

Here is the article, ktwlpn. It is also found on the front page of alnurse.com. Boy you guys make some great points, I am glad I posted. I will write a reply to the paper soon.

http://www.allnurses.com/news/jump.cgi?ID=1178

A View from the Experts: Former prof hopes overuse of medication is waning

Sunday, October 20, 2002

By Lynda Guydon Taylor, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

It's no secret to nursing homes that an overmedicated patient means less work for staff members, said Estella Hyde, a retired nursing professor at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania.

A drugged patient is one who is not going to make demands on the staff, said Hyde, an AARP executive council volunteer. An overmedicated patient also is one for whom staff members do not have to provide activities.

When Hyde was a professor of nursing, she said she had students in nursing homes who told her of what was going on in the facilities. This was something nurses talked about all the time, she said. It's easy for these types of abuses to occur when doctors visit only about once a month.

Although unaware of what the situation is now, Hyde said, she'd like to think it's changed in the past five to 10 years. She hopes that what the staff does has changed and has resulted in more activities planned for patients today.

Asked how many deaths might be attributed to overmedication, Hyde said she wasn't sure that could be determined. When a patient dies in a nursing home, that death is generally considered routine. A nursing home patient is someone whose health already is compromised, she said, so there's no inclination to question it.

If this kind of abuse occurs, Hyde said, it's more likely to happen in a personal care home than in a hospital, where even in the case of serious ailments, the stay is usually short term. She acknowledged that inadequate staffing in personal care homes could be a problem leading to overmedication.

Adding to the problem is the fact that elderly patients tend to revere a doctor's exalted status. They're not likely to question a doctor's authority because they were raised during a time when the doctor was considered almost a god. She sees people in their 60s and 50s taking a different stance, however. Those younger than 50 question their doctors all the time and consider them more as collaborators in their health care.

While the Pennsylvania Chapter of the AARP has not received any complaints of overmedication in the past year, the organization does what it can to alert members to the dangers of another problem: harmful drug interactions. In television ads and brochures, consumers are urged to report to their physician all the drugs they are taking, including over-the-counter varieties. AARP encourages consumers to discuss their medication with their health-care providers, Hyde said.

If a family suspects a loved one is being abused, no matter the method -- whether it's overmedication, improper feeding or whatever -- those suspicions should be reported to the facility's administrator or director of nursing. If they don't get a satisfactory response from the facility, they can report their concerns to the state's Protective Services hot line at 1-800-537-2424 or the Department of Health at 1-800-254-5164.

According to the Department of Aging, which operates Protective Services, in the 1999-2000 reporting period, the state's area aging agencies received 10,991 reports of physical, sexual or other forms of abuse. Of those, 2,703 were substantiated. Those cases included health, safety or welfare complaints involving the elderly.

QUOTE] OH good Lord! I wonder which of these articles appeared first? Such an infammatory collection of erroneous information....argh! I will e-mail the writer again....In my experience-medicating a pt with any kind of tranquilizers or anti-psychotic causes MORE work-NOT LESS...Along with monitoring the residents condition-especially their intake and gait we also have to monitor and document any side effects each shift........God forbid they stand up and fall over---paperwork then abounds...How long ago was this person a professor of nursing? At least 10 years? So she has NO current info of the regs in LTC...none...And we all know that students can be as misinformed as anyone else-and are very likely to misinterpret a situation in clinicals.As far as activities go-the state regulates how many hours of activities must be offered each day...of course-we can not MAKE anyone attend.We know that LTC's are much more closely regulated then personal care or assisted living homes in Pa...On my unit of 44 I have maybe 10 getting risperdal or remeron...maybe 5 taking zyrexa......1 takes xanax regularly,2 take ativan regularly(since long before admission to our facility-and we are attempting to taper them down)..No sleepers...1 on depakote .....No prn's at this time...We have discovered that the most affective treatments with our dementia residents are a snack and a drink and a bit of hand holding-and some tylenol once in a awhile...If they want to sleep during the day and be awake at night we don't fight that-it is a common behavior in Alzheimers and someone just walking through the unit may not know that....Some of the attitudes we see concerning LTC just frost my butt-many of us work so hard to learn how to care for our residents-especially the challenging dementia residents...."So long as Americans maintain the fantasy that somehow Americans should never be inconvenienced by the predictable outcomes of their everyday behaviors (diet, exercise, drinking, automobile use, air and water pollution, crime, etc.), and if they are inconvenienced, somebody ELSE should both fix it (right now!) and pay for it, there will be no improvement. So long as Americans fantasize that they and their loved ones somehow should never die, and that death is always such a tragedy that we should spend about 1/3 of our healthcare budget on the final few weeks of people's lives, there will be no improvement. " Sjoe-that says it all!

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
Originally posted by cargal

Here is the article, ktwlpn. It is also found on the front page of alnurse.com. Boy you guys make some great points, I am glad I posted. I will write a reply to the paper soon.

http://www.allnurses.com/news/jump.cgi?ID=1178

A View from the Experts: Former prof hopes overuse of medication is waning

Sunday, October 20, 2002

By Lynda Guydon Taylor, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

It's no secret to nursing homes that an overmedicated patient means less work for staff members, said Estella Hyde, a retired nursing professor at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania.

A drugged patient is one who is not going to make demands on the staff, said Hyde, an AARP executive council volunteer. An overmedicated patient also is one for whom staff members do not have to provide activities.

When Hyde was a professor of nursing, she said she had students in nursing homes who told her of what was going on in the facilities. This was something nurses talked about all the time, she said. It's easy for these types of abuses to occur when doctors visit only about once a month.

Although unaware of what the situation is now, Hyde said, she'd like to think it's changed in the past five to 10 years. She hopes that what the staff does has changed and has resulted in more activities planned for patients today.

Asked how many deaths might be attributed to overmedication, Hyde said she wasn't sure that could be determined. When a patient dies in a nursing home, that death is generally considered routine. A nursing home patient is someone whose health already is compromised, she said, so there's no inclination to question it.

If this kind of abuse occurs, Hyde said, it's more likely to happen in a personal care home than in a hospital, where even in the case of serious ailments, the stay is usually short term. She acknowledged that inadequate staffing in personal care homes could be a problem leading to overmedication.

Adding to the problem is the fact that elderly patients tend to revere a doctor's exalted status. They're not likely to question a doctor's authority because they were raised during a time when the doctor was considered almost a god. She sees people in their 60s and 50s taking a different stance, however. Those younger than 50 question their doctors all the time and consider them more as collaborators in their health care.

While the Pennsylvania Chapter of the AARP has not received any complaints of overmedication in the past year, the organization does what it can to alert members to the dangers of another problem: harmful drug interactions. In television ads and brochures, consumers are urged to report to their physician all the drugs they are taking, including over-the-counter varieties. AARP encourages consumers to discuss their medication with their health-care providers, Hyde said.

If a family suspects a loved one is being abused, no matter the method -- whether it's overmedication, improper feeding or whatever -- those suspicions should be reported to the facility's administrator or director of nursing. If they don't get a satisfactory response from the facility, they can report their concerns to the state's Protective Services hot line at 1-800-537-2424 or the Department of Health at 1-800-254-5164.

According to the Department of Aging, which operates Protective Services, in the 1999-2000 reporting period, the state's area aging agencies received 10,991 reports of physical, sexual or other forms of abuse. Of those, 2,703 were substantiated. Those cases included health, safety or welfare complaints involving the elderly.

QUOTE] OH good Lord! I wonder which of these articles appeared first? Such an infammatory collection of erroneous information....argh! I will e-mail the writer again....In my experience-medicating a pt with any kind of tranquilizers or anti-psychotic causes MORE work-NOT LESS...Along with monitoring the residents condition-especially their intake and gait we also have to monitor and document any side effects each shift........God forbid they stand up and fall over---paperwork then abounds...How long ago was this person a professor of nursing? At least 10 years? So she has NO current info of the regs in LTC...none...And we all know that students can be as misinformed as anyone else-and are very likely to misinterpret a situation in clinicals.As far as activities go-the state regulates how many hours of activities must be offered each day...of course-we can not MAKE anyone attend.We know that LTC's are much more closely regulated then personal care or assisted living homes in Pa...On my unit of 44 I have maybe 10 getting risperdal or remeron...maybe 5 taking zyrexa......1 takes xanax regularly,2 take ativan regularly(since long before admission to our facility-and we are attempting to taper them down)..No sleepers...1 on depakote .....No prn's at this time...We have discovered that the most affective treatments with our dementia residents are a snack and a drink and a bit of hand holding-and some tylenol once in a awhile...If they want to sleep during the day and be awake at night we don't fight that-it is a common behavior in Alzheimers and someone just walking through the unit may not know that....Some of the attitudes we see concerning LTC just frost my butt-many of us work so hard to learn how to care for our residents-especially the challenging dementia residents...."So long as Americans maintain the fantasy that somehow Americans should never be inconvenienced by the predictable outcomes of their everyday behaviors (diet, exercise, drinking, automobile use, air and water pollution, crime, etc.), and if they are inconvenienced, somebody ELSE should both fix it (right now!) and pay for it, there will be no improvement. So long as Americans fantasize that they and their loved ones somehow should never die, and that death is always such a tragedy that we should spend about 1/3 of our healthcare budget on the final few weeks of people's lives, there will be no improvement. " Sjoe-that says it all!

You said it deespoohbear. I have never worked "in" an LTC but merely visit to draw blood for a few hours a day. And yes it has been an eye opener. You want to believe it is like the movies portray...Old folks sitting around playing pea-knuckle and rummie and talking about the old times. God bless those elderly ppl that wake just to go another day...and God bless those that muster up the energy and emotion to care for them. LTC is my weakness...I just want to squeeze and love 'em all. I honor those that put in 100% there all day b/c my heart just can't take it.

I put the blame on the Government. There is just no excuse. They do not prioritize money for LTC...for the reason they nor their family will not have to encounter it! Or if they do, it will be the top LTC in US. I honestly believe that if the President visited a home in my town and KNEW he was going to placed there...the walls would be painted warm , cozy slippers would be provided and fireplaces installed...and the staff would be paid immensley.

The second party I blame is the familys that are too busy to give a rats butt to give "quality" time. Not just a stop-in once a month to give a calendar. And ask Questions about "why mom is so combative, or sad...or drugged!" Duh! Just my opinion.

And why is it okay to live and contribute 80-90 yrs of life in this rich country...and be dumped in some homes that are not much better than third world countries? Why are skyrises built to show beauty and business...hospitals too...and LTC homes still look like disaster shelters. It makes no sense to me. And i don't even work in one.

You said it deespoohbear. I have never worked "in" an LTC but merely visit to draw blood for a few hours a day. And yes it has been an eye opener. You want to believe it is like the movies portray...Old folks sitting around playing pea-knuckle and rummie and talking about the old times. God bless those elderly ppl that wake just to go another day...and God bless those that muster up the energy and emotion to care for them. LTC is my weakness...I just want to squeeze and love 'em all. I honor those that put in 100% there all day b/c my heart just can't take it.

I put the blame on the Government. There is just no excuse. They do not prioritize money for LTC...for the reason they nor their family will not have to encounter it! Or if they do, it will be the top LTC in US. I honestly believe that if the President visited a home in my town and KNEW he was going to placed there...the walls would be painted warm , cozy slippers would be provided and fireplaces installed...and the staff would be paid immensley.

The second party I blame is the familys that are too busy to give a rats butt to give "quality" time. Not just a stop-in once a month to give a calendar. And ask Questions about "why mom is so combative, or sad...or drugged!" Duh! Just my opinion.

And why is it okay to live and contribute 80-90 yrs of life in this rich country...and be dumped in some homes that are not much better than third world countries? Why are skyrises built to show beauty and business...hospitals too...and LTC homes still look like disaster shelters. It makes no sense to me. And i don't even work in one.

I was reamed a new one today because I politely told the administrator that the new staffing was not adequate. Staff was reduced and the census was increased. She told me we were in intermediate care and not acute and we were staffed more than adequately. She told me I was not experienced enough to know that we were staffed adequately. I do know that it takes me three hours to do a med pass and check on my residents on my end of the hall, then I am expected to function as charge and call the MD's with labs, problems, and take orders, not to mention direct the staff, who are ill equipped and trained to handle the older, less stable resident , most who have dementia. This article is right, but for the wrong reasons. We don't drug the residents to make it easier for staff. But I can't attend to this population any more in LTC. This facility is losing this nurse. This facility is losing a patient advocate. Perhaps we should let the author of this article know what the problems really are!

Blessings,

I was reamed a new one today because I politely told the administrator that the new staffing was not adequate. Staff was reduced and the census was increased. She told me we were in intermediate care and not acute and we were staffed more than adequately. She told me I was not experienced enough to know that we were staffed adequately. I do know that it takes me three hours to do a med pass and check on my residents on my end of the hall, then I am expected to function as charge and call the MD's with labs, problems, and take orders, not to mention direct the staff, who are ill equipped and trained to handle the older, less stable resident , most who have dementia. This article is right, but for the wrong reasons. We don't drug the residents to make it easier for staff. But I can't attend to this population any more in LTC. This facility is losing this nurse. This facility is losing a patient advocate. Perhaps we should let the author of this article know what the problems really are!

Blessings,

Specializes in ICU, nutrition.

I wish I knew what the answer was to long term care. I know that when we get nursing home patients into the ICU I work in, they tend to be much better cared for than the patients who need that kind of care who are taken care of at home. (Does that sentence make sense?) Anyway, I think government involvement in our health care has made the system worse, not better. I see doctors every day who do EVERYTHING possible to save a patient who cannot be saved so that the family will not sue them. Americans are afraid of death, and doctors are afraid of lawsuits, and as long as Medicare pays *this much* and the hospital has to write off the rest, one-third (or more) of our healthcare expenditure will be consumed by people in the last days of their life. How much better could that money be spent?!

I, for one, don't want to be anywhere near a hospital when I get old and decrepit. I've kept too many people "alive" who aren't living to want to have that done to me.

I applaud you Carrie for having the courage to stand up for your convictions. I completely understand why you are leaving the facility you work for and I hope that you can find a place to work that is not an old people warehouse; a place that will pay you decently and provide enough employees to care for the patients decently. Sadly, these are becoming few and far between.

Specializes in ICU, nutrition.

I wish I knew what the answer was to long term care. I know that when we get nursing home patients into the ICU I work in, they tend to be much better cared for than the patients who need that kind of care who are taken care of at home. (Does that sentence make sense?) Anyway, I think government involvement in our health care has made the system worse, not better. I see doctors every day who do EVERYTHING possible to save a patient who cannot be saved so that the family will not sue them. Americans are afraid of death, and doctors are afraid of lawsuits, and as long as Medicare pays *this much* and the hospital has to write off the rest, one-third (or more) of our healthcare expenditure will be consumed by people in the last days of their life. How much better could that money be spent?!

I, for one, don't want to be anywhere near a hospital when I get old and decrepit. I've kept too many people "alive" who aren't living to want to have that done to me.

I applaud you Carrie for having the courage to stand up for your convictions. I completely understand why you are leaving the facility you work for and I hope that you can find a place to work that is not an old people warehouse; a place that will pay you decently and provide enough employees to care for the patients decently. Sadly, these are becoming few and far between.

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