Male Nurses on the rise and they make more money - page 5

Male Nurses Becoming More Commonplace, Census Bureau Reports The nursing profession remains overwhelmingly female, but the representation of men has increased as the demand for nurses has grown... Read More

  1. by   metal_m0nk
    Wage inequality does exist. Maybe not everywhere. Maybe not in every profession. But it does exist.

    My second job out of college (about 7 years ago now), the company had two identical positions open. I was hired to one and a male about my age hired to the other. I had a degree, and he did not. Neither of us had experience specific to the position but on paper, my credentials edged his out significantly. We were both single and childless. His starting wage was $2.50 more per hour than mine.
  2. by   Murse_Kyle
    Hardly. As a male in nursing, I think the women work just as hard as I do. Some even work circles around me. However, most women have children and motherly responsibilities. Thus, they are likely to work less hours, less night shifts, less overtime, etc. Whereas men, often our responsibilities are to bring home the bacon so we put in more time. I know this sounds like a sort of antiquated paradigm but it's simply the way things are. This study didn't factor in a lot of things. It's poor statistics. I would say we all pretty much start off making the same. And if we don't, I think that's because men tend to be more aggressive when negotiating salary.
  3. by   Murse_Kyle
    Quote from wooh
    I worked with my ex-husband. We started same day. Same general experience beforehand. Did the same job. He made 75 cents per hour more than I did. Back when I was young and stupid and happy to have a job, I didn't say anything.
    Worked for a while with my current husband. (Where we met.) I had more responsibility. Worked there longer. More experience before that job. But he talked football with the boss and made more than a dollar per hour more than I did. At the same time he was getting a raise and another guy that did basically the same job I did was getting a raise (when he already made more than me), they didn't have money to give me a raise. (And they were shocked when I quit not long after that!)

    And let's be clear. I've NEVER taken maternity leave. I've NEVER had childcare responsibilities. So there was no, "But women care more about their kids than their career" excuses here. (Which is BS anyway.)

    Of course every man HERE has only received the pay and promotions he rightfully deserved. I wouldn't want anyone here to think that maybe, just maybe, they might have profited from sexism. Just like a promotion that I got when I was one of the few white people there not already in management (who was ALL white) was SOLELY because of how hard I work and how much experience I had. No way that I profited from latent racism there. I just worked really hard!

    We all want to think that we get where we get based solely on our merits. But to claim there's no problem when women still only make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes? We can come up with all the excuses we want, claim "it's just faulty statistics," but there's STILL a problem. Not shocking that men don't see it. It is sad that women don't see it.

    Nobody said there wasn't a problem. It is definitely a problem. However, in the world of nursing men typically only make 10 cents more than their female counterparts. And yes in other sectors where people are paid salary and what not, it is a problem. But again, in the world of nursing men typically make more based on their work habits. I wholeheartedly believe that income inequality is an injustice. However, we reap what we sow. Next time you go for a new job, negotiate more money. Work more hours. Work more OT. Work the holidays and work the night shift. Or if you want to, get a civil rights lawyer and attempt to change the world. Bitterness is not going to solve the issue.
  4. by   tyvin
    Seriously...educated people even giving that article a look see. I didn't look at it because as someone who has taken prob/stats I know dumb reporting can skew stats to feed the articles objective. No; male nurses don't make more then female nurses.
    Last edit by tyvin on Mar 8, '13
  5. by   Stratiotes
    I might give the study more credit if they make a couple of changes to ensure that we are talking about pay for doing the same exact job for the same number of hours:
    - Look at only one level of care whether it be ICU, med/surg, ER, etc. (This would factor out skewing based on possibility of there being more men in certain areas).
    - Look at only base pay rates rather than total pay. (This would factor out overtime, call in days, etc)

    I wouldn't want anyone here to think that maybe, just maybe, they might have profited from sexism.
    If I found some random pay differential on my check or in fact did make a little more money than my wife or female colleagues without explanation, I would say no more here.

    But to claim there's no problem when women still only make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes?
    The 77 cents to every dollar line was one cited in Obama's campaign ads. While I believe there is a gap, even and other researchers admit that the .77/1.00 is not an accurate representation. Like the study being discussed in this forum, that study also simply looked at the pay of full time workers across the board. It does not compare men and women doing the same job for the same number of hours. Therefore, it wouldn't account for the fact that there are more men in higher pay positions such as management and leadership. Now you might say discrimination is partly responsible for there being more men in higher pay positions--but that is a different discussion.

    Check out : Obama’s 77-Cent Exaggeration for more on that.

    I'm checking out of this discussion before everyone things I'm just some sexist pig! lol I promise I am not. My wife has the same degree and does the same work as me and deserves every bit as much pay--so I would be upset if I found out she weren't. However, I also don't believe in automatically assuming someone is getting special treatment because of their gender, race, appearance, or any other factor without solid evidence.