Looking for some advice before making a mistake. - page 4

Okay to start this discussion I would like to first explain and introduce myself. I'm a 22 year old male Firefighter who has been on the job for about a year and a half now. As everyone probably... Read More

  1. by   UTHSC_Bound
    I got my BSN with 20k of debt. Be a good student, get scholarships, pell grant, and don't go to a private school. I think he ER tech idea is a great one. My techs had more mad skills than I did. If you can pull off your heart burn for kindness in patient care and reduction of fear in the ER you would be a super star.
  2. by   the4ofus
    If you like medicine the PA MD, DO or any other ancillary medical profession may be the ticket. Even PTs are required to have an extensive education MS or Ph.D to practice. Nursing is not medicine and when we forget that it becomes very confusing and we loose our way as a profession. I loved cardiovascular care but as a BSN the minimum requirement to be a nurse will take you in the neighborhood of 4 years. After that you have two more years of experience and formal education to sit for the CCRN and the specialty in vascular nursing certification. If you want to be a nurse or have a position in the medical field you will be called to always be in school. It is a life long learning process. You will be urged to earn the next higher degree and then the next.

    Patients need to get up and walk, they need to urinate they need to have bowel movements and they need a bath. That is part of the job of being a nurse. If you really want to help people...you may want to think about what all that takes. It's a hard choice and even if you are sure think again and again. Taking care of yourself is the most important thing you can do and it does not take being a weight lifter...just paying attention. What is your calling and will you be able to do what you are called to do. Most nurses are in "paper work" up to their eyeballs.
  3. by   BeenThere2012
    Quote from italianlifter
    Hello lLG,
    I greatly appreciate you believing me and giving me good advice. I can honestly say that my main concern is truly the debt cause I would like to believe that it is anyone's concern. I really appreciate your advice and will most certainly look into everything you have posted. I'm planning on tommorrow going to my local hospital to shadow a PA and a physcial Thearpist.

    I will keep looking into the fitness industry but as of right now I cannot really find a degree/career that truly interset me other then opening up a gym but that is a dime in a dozen.
    shadow a PT in an out-patient setting. Although important, I think the in-patient side wouldn't be as challenging for you. Look into sports medicine if you have a practice near you. This is what I was thinking would be more up your alley as far as your interest in fitness and medicine is concerned. Good luck! You will do fine.
  4. by   BeenThere2012
    Quote from Horseshoe
    Don't they now require a doctorate degree for PT? The OP has made it pretty clear he isn't interested in that much school.
    No! Doctorate is not the minimum degree.
  5. by   BeenThere2012
    I Stand corrected. My PT
    friends have Masters
    degrees, and being a patient in PT I've had several "techs" assisting the PT's. I didn't realize this is the new requirement.
  6. by   italianlifter
    Hello Beenthere2012,
    From what I have been reading from you is all about physcial thearpy which is not a problem with me by any means. The only thing about sports medicine is becoming a doctor. I'm not trying to sound rude when I say this but I just can't see myself doing just about 12 years of schooling or more to become a sports medicine doctor. Yes of course it is a very intriguing field to me and I would not mind doing it in the slightest, it's just the amount of schooling that it requires. Not sure if I want to be in school for that long and I really hope I do not sound lazy cause those are not my intentions by any means. Also the physcial thearpy was once thought about but I am not quite sure I still wanna do physcial thearpy. I'm not saying it's not a rewarding career or a waste a time cause it is most definitely a good career but I'm not sure if it is worth it to me. Not trying to sound rude but I have been hearing that majority of places require atleast a doctorate in that field.
  7. by   the4ofus
    Online study is a great start especially for the general education classes and even some of the nursing education classes. Depending on the school you choose, you would most likely be able to continue into the nursing program from there. State schools us the on line venue as a normal course of education. It save a tremendous amount of time in travel and parking.

    You can use that time for studying instead. Furthermore no matter what you chose you are going to need the basics so get on the train and you'll be there in no time. Schools also have great counselors and advisers. I applaud you for reaching out and asking the hard questions. Keep asking and you will piece it together.
  8. by   loriangel14
    I really think the OP needs to look at something other than nursing if he has an aversion to actually having to provide personal care. That is the foundation of being a good nurse.
  9. by   italianlifter
    Hello Loriangel14,
    Thank you for your kind response and I wouldn't say I dislike the patient care per say but I throughly enjoy the doctor aspect of diagnosing patients but I also don't want to be in school for 12 plus years. Yes that sounds lazy and pathetic but I'm not here to lie to anyone cause I would be doing you all a dishonor and I'm not like that. I'm throughly thinking about going the PA route cause I believe this will be my only option for a field I can enjoy after 6 years of schooling. I just need to go an shadow a PA to fully understand it better.
  10. by   the4ofus
    PAs and NPs have basically the same requirements as far as practice is concerned depending on the state you live in. One is medical the other is said to be a nursing foundation. All total 8 years seems to be about the standard. I would be very careful about getting an ADN; it's very difficult to find a job with an ADN. I know that some ADNs to land a job but the field is in such a flux . In two more years I'm not so sure where it will be but when you think about the requirement of 80% of nurses must hold BSN to be hired for hospitals. Neither is the pay all that good especially here in the South unless you work a lot of hours and then you can't further your education or do all the work outs that you want to do. Good luck with your choices.
  11. by   BonnieSc
    Not every PA program requires a bachelor's degree or six total years of school--there's a lot to check out regarding that career path. I really think the OP would be unhappy as a nurse or nursing student. And NPs aren't necessarily "more free" than PAs--there's a lot of variability by state and practice setting. Do make sure you get your information from actual PAs, college programs, and doctors who employ PAs--there's a lot of misinformation out there. I only know that because I once took an immersion class for a week that included two PAs, and they explained a lot of things to me!
  12. by   cleback
    From what I have experienced, NPs and PAs have similar, if not identical, clinical practice. Whether an NP can practice without physician supervision depends on the state. In mine, there must be collaborative agreement between an NP and MD/DO. What this "supervision" looks can be highly variable. The NP in my clinic practices pretty independently. Sometimes she is the only provider in the clinic. When she rounds in the hospital, however, the physician usually reviews her note and plan of care, but she still sees the patients alone. Other arrangements exist. Honestly, I would appreciate the collaboration. NP education (or PA education) does not provide you with enough knowledge or experience to treat very complicated patients, so to have a physician resource is invaluable.

    I chose to go to (D)NP school over PA because generally you can do a lot more with nursing. Nurses are involved in research, teaching, program development, quality improvement, the list goes on. A PA is typically only used in the treatment of patients. I love patient care but I know I will want to branch out my career eventually. The DNP gIves me the most options.

    Cost is highly variable but it is pretty common to find employer sponsored tuition reimbursement in nursing. Nothing like that exists for PAs that I am aware of.
  13. by   Guttercat
    Quote from italianlifter
    Hello Loriangel14,
    "... I'm throughly thinking about going the PA route cause I believe this will be my only option for a field I can enjoy after 6 years of schooling. I just need to go an shadow a PA to fully understand it better.
    Wait. Just a couple of hours ago you stated that you were going to go the NP route as opposed to PA because of autonomy.

    But now it's PA and not NP? Huh? >scratches head<

    I get it. A degree path is a tough choice, and so much is on the line. Good luck to you. Keep digging up information, and think long term in what is best for you.

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