Lazy Student Nurse Preceptors!

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I am furious over my most recent clinical experience. I'm in my last semester of school and graduating in May. Our school waits until 4th semester to learn IV's. Well, the "goals" for this semester is to get as much IV experience, practice on all other procedures/shots, and shadow a real RN. Well, my first clinical night with a new preceptor was a disaster. I was assigned a travel/agency RN from NY. This was her 2nd night in a new hospital and a new state. She is given specific instructions to let me do all IV's, meds, procedures etc on this patient. She happily agrees, but doesnt listen. Next thing I know, she's hanging IV's, giving heparin shots, and changing tubing. All these things were supposed to be done by me and checked by her. When asked, she kept saying, "Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot". It was as if she resented me being there and just wanted to get the job done without taking time to teach me. Next thing I know, she is volunteering me to give this hemiparetic, 250+ comatose man a bed bath and mouth care. Not that I think this is not a nursing role by no means, however, this is not something I need to learn again. How is it she forgets to teach me IV's, but suddenly remembers I can do a bed bath? I was furious. I learned how to do bed bath's 1st semester and certainly did not need the practice now. So, I essentially spent the whole evening doing "tech" stuff and learned nothing about IVs or the nursing role. Again, I'm not saying bed bath and oral care are not important, however, I need to be practicing procedures and IVs not bed baths. So, I guess my point was why are some RN's so reluctant to teach students and others so great? I felt she was using me to do the jobs she didnt want to do. The other students were doing caths, NG's, etc and I got stuck with a bed bath and oral care. Just wanted to get some input from the veteran RN's out there.

Hoolahan....how is that nervy? I have read many posts on this issue by Mattsmom and the impression she puts forth is that she is less than accomadating to newcomers and students. Not everyone is a good teacher or not everyone is willing to precept. When I graduate I want to work alongside a preceptor who doesn't resent my being there. I want to learn. In my opinion the best way to learn is to be taught by someone who WANTS to teach. DO you honestly think that we can be taught everything we need to know in nursing school? Of course not. It just seems as though a lot of the experts cannot be bothered with the beginners. However, the experts seem to forget that they were once beginners themselves. We rely on your experience to help mold us into good nurses. Nursing is SUPPOSED to be a team profession and the newcomers cannot be expected to make it on their own, without support from their coworkers. It's sad to me that we live in such a me-oriented society. I wish I could replace the word ME to the word WE. The world would be a much nicer place.:kiss

Originally posted by Flo1216

Perhaps the phrase of nurses "eating their young" wouldn't be heard so often if there wasn't an element of truth to it. The object is to attract more people to the profession, not drive them away from it. If students are treated like dirt, why will they want to be part of a profession that doesn't welcome them? It's not about students not getting their way...it's about courtesty and mutual respect. Most students are scared to death and could benefit from the guidance and support of a seasoned nurse. Sure, there will always be some students with attitude problems but that goes for any profession. Just as there will always be a lot of nurses with attitude problems. It doesnt' have to be that way. I have been mentored by wonderful nurses who are just as overworked, stressed and tired as the next person. They didn't snap at me for no reason, or complain about having a student, as if I were deaf. They didn't make me feel like a burden. They weren't rude or nasty. They had patience and made my clinical experiences valuable. In my opinion, these people truly define the word nurse. Too bad these lovely souls seem to be few and far between:( [/quote

Malarkey...the fact is, there are a lot of students with this attitude of "entitlement"...another phrase bordering on becoming hackneyed.

Look at how many students come here and say stuff like, "I have a pt with "X" diagnosis...give me some nursing dx." When you gently suggest ways for them to think it through, they start whining that you are "eating your young."

Hey, there were nurses that were tough on me when I was new; I didn't, however, expect staff nurses to be my personal mentors when I was a student.

Personally, I love having students. But nothing makes me madder than asking a student to help me with something and have him/her say, "I've already been checked off for that," even though they weren't busy at the time.

There was a perfect example of how to work as a team, and it was passed up. So, if I'm busy doing what asked you to help me with, don't condemn me when I don't have time to help you fulfill your check list.:(

Originally posted by fab4fan

Originally posted by Flo1216

Perhaps the phrase of nurses "eating their young" wouldn't be heard so often if there wasn't an element of truth to it. The object is to attract more people to the profession, not drive them away from it. If students are treated like dirt, why will they want to be part of a profession that doesn't welcome them? It's not about students not getting their way...it's about courtesty and mutual respect. Most students are scared to death and could benefit from the guidance and support of a seasoned nurse. Sure, there will always be some students with attitude problems but that goes for any profession. Just as there will always be a lot of nurses with attitude problems. It doesnt' have to be that way. I have been mentored by wonderful nurses who are just as overworked, stressed and tired as the next person. They didn't snap at me for no reason, or complain about having a student, as if I were deaf. They didn't make me feel like a burden. They weren't rude or nasty. They had patience and made my clinical experiences valuable. In my opinion, these people truly define the word nurse. Too bad these lovely souls seem to be few and

far between:( [/quote

Malarkey...the fact is, there are a lot of students with this attitude of "entitlement"...another phrase bordering on becoming hackneyed.

Look at how many students come here and say stuff like, "I have a pt with "X" diagnosis...give me some nursing dx." When you gently suggest ways for them to think it through, they start whining that you are "eating your young."

Hey, there were nurses that were tough on me when I was new; I didn't, however, expect staff nurses to be my personal mentors when I was a student.

Personally, I love having students. But nothing makes me madder than asking a student to help me with something and have him/her say, "I've already been checked off for that," even though they weren't busy at the time.

There was a perfect example of how to work as a team, and it was passed up. So, if I'm busy doing what asked you to help me with, don't condemn me when I don't have time to help you fulfill your check list.:

As the Don Henley song goes, "Get Over It."

Originally posted by fab4fan

Originally posted by fab4fan

Originally posted by Flo1216

Perhaps the phrase of nurses "eating their young" wouldn't be heard so often if there wasn't an element of truth to it. The object is to attract more people to the profession, not drive them away from it. If students are treated like dirt, why will they want to be part of a profession that doesn't welcome them? It's not about students not getting their way...it's about courtesty and mutual respect. Most students are scared to death and could benefit from the guidance and support of a seasoned nurse. Sure, there will always be some students with attitude problems but that goes for any profession. Just as there will always be a lot of nurses with attitude problems. It doesnt' have to be that way. I have been mentored by wonderful nurses who are just as overworked, stressed and tired as the next person. They didn't snap at me for no reason, or complain about having a student, as if I were deaf. They didn't make me feel like a burden. They weren't rude or nasty. They had patience and made my clinical experiences valuable. In my opinion, these people truly define the word nurse. Too bad these lovely souls seem to be few and

far between:( [/quote

Malarkey...the fact is, there are a lot of students with this attitude of "entitlement"...another phrase bordering on becoming hackneyed.

Look at how many students come here and say stuff like, "I have a pt with "X" diagnosis...give me some nursing dx." When you gently suggest ways for them to think it through, they start whining that you are "eating your young."

Hey, there were nurses that were tough on me when I was new; I didn't, however, expect staff nurses to be my personal mentors when I was a student.

Personally, I love having students. But nothing makes me madder than asking a student to help me with something and have him/her say, "I've already been checked off for that," even though they weren't busy at the time.

There was a perfect example of how to work as a team, and it was passed up. So, if I'm busy doing what I asked you to help me with, don't condemn me when I don't have time to help you fulfill your check list.:

As the Don Henley song goes, "Get Over It."

Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab. I can only speak for my own program. We fill out our own check lists and come up with our own nursing diagnoses. I guess that would annoy me too if I were in your shoes. But what I am talking about is when an instructor introduces me to a staff nurse whom I wll share a patient with and she rolls her eyes and groans, " I have a student today?" I don't think I deserve to be treated that way. I don't think I deserve to be snapped at by a nurse when I tell her the pt is requesting something for pain and he has nothing ordered and students are not allowed to call the doctor. Am I wrong for relaying pt concerns to the nurse if the concern is something I cannot help them with? I don't think so. Like I said, it is tough all over. I am sorry that the nursing students in your area can't seem to think for themselves. Send them over to my school. We have a good program. We just need more instructors!

Originally posted by Flo1216

Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab. I can only speak for my own program. We fill out our own check lists and come up with our own nursing diagnoses. I guess that would annoy me too if I were in your shoes. But what I am talking about is when an instructor introduces me to a staff nurse whom I wll share a patient with and she rolls her eyes and groans, " I have a student today?"

This only goes to show how inferior your school is by assigning student nurses to hospital staff who are not employeed by your school and have not choosen to become nursing instructors. Staff nurses have enough to do in their job description without adding clinical instructor. If a nurse wants to assume that additional responsibility, thats their decision. To have an instructor force these extra duties upon an already busy staff nurse who has not choosen to assume these additional responsibilities or liabilities, only goes to show why nursing is not considered a profession by a majority of the public. You are paying your school to provide you with an education and the experiences you need, not the staff nurses. Where did you get the attitude that it is the staff nurse responsibility to train you for free? Being a student nurse does not give you the right to be forced upon anyone with RN after their name. Would you be willing to pay these staff nurses for their time and knowledge? You pay your school and nursing instructors for this, why not the staff nurses? Your attitude of forcing more responsibilities upon nurses without compensation only goes to weaken nursing as a hole and is the core reason so many people are leaving the nursing field. There is no nursing shortage, only a shortage of nurses who are willing to work in substandard professional conditions.

Preceptors for new nurses who are employed by the hospital are trainned and paid extra by the hospital. They choose to assume these duties and have them included in their job description. Having the ability to choose is part of a professional attitude and working enviorment.

So nice of you Flo, to resort to insults...

I didn't believe I was resorting to insults. I wasn't the one complaining about the nursing students that come to your hospital.. Also, my school is hospital based. That is, the hospital in which I do my clinical rotation owns my school and the preceptors do get paid exta. And I never suggested that the nurses have to TRAIN me. When I say I am assigned to a nurse, I mean that I share certain pts so they are some things that I may have to communicate with that nurse regarding that patient. But for God's sake, they could be a little nicer. But I guess they should be paid extra for that too. Some of them are just downright nasty. and it is really not necessary.

Originally posted by Flo1216

Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab.

Oh, yeah, that's not an insult...whatever!:(

I don't get paid extra to help students/precept newbies, BTW. But like I said, Flo, whatever...

Hey, you were the one complaining about the students coming from these programs, not me. I was just agreeing with you.

The preceptors in the hospital where I work get paid extra. And they should be. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. If someone doesn't feel comfortable precepting somone, however, they should talk it over with their supervisor, not take it out on the student. That is all I am saying.

I wasn't complaining about all students...I was complaining about students who expect to "download" all of my information and experience, who expect to be spoonfed, who act as if they are entitled to use staff as their personal preceptors, and never extend themselves in turn.

Whatever...any criticism makes us "meanie meanie jellybeanies", or carnivors of new nurses. :rolleyes:

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