Is there ANY reason for Experienced nurses to be Rude to New Nurses?? - page 3
I am a new nurse, graduated in September, passed board November 30th and started Orienting December 31st. I just finished my 7th week and until now have been very lucky as far as having most of the... Read More
Feb 19, '07This is typical of staff. You saw a truly burned out Nurse and what you do with this is let them explode, ventilate but walk away from them. Never get into any verbal confrontation. You report this behavior as being unsafe and this person being unstable.
I've been a Nurse for 28 years. I never have yelled or belittled anyone. I tend to enjoy showing, teaching sharing and being very open to new opinions. Just because you're new doesn't mean you don't have bright ideas and can show a better way of doing this kind of work better and safer.
You're learning and that's what count but this person sounds to me like they need some counseling or a good shrink.
Feb 19, '07The person that attacked you was a relatively new nurse, not an experienced one. It seems to me that your coworkers were defending you to this extremely rude person, if I read your post correctly. She had no right to attack you verbally in front of all the other nurses; if she had a issue, she could have asked you to talk with her in private. She was unprofessional in her conduct. I'm glad to see that you didn't lose it and respond to her in kind.
Sounds like you had a lot on your plate and handled it very well. Keep up the good work.
Feb 19, '07Quote from pink2blue1The best time to give a suppository is early in the morning so the pt can poop during the day. People don't poop at night usually. When I worked LTC, the traditional time was to give suppositories at 6:30 AM. Similar to Lasix, you don't want pts peeing and pooping at night, it disturbs their sleep.TEEHEE! Hey, I never thought of it that way! It never even crossed my mind that if the suppository was such a huge deal, why did she wait till shift change to give it! Hmmmmm,
Once again, thank you for making me feel better
Feb 19, '07Quote from pink2blue1That's just wrong! And ...she did do it purposely because she thought you were having this patient!! You know I know some nurses...some who have been nurses for over 25 years......and they have even mentioned this to me to watch out for from nurses who are playing games like this.........and it's sad because it's the patient they are using as their little gamepiece. And to give a suppository or enema right before shift change is just dirty (no pun intended) game playing. Why would you wake a patient to give a suppository at 630 am?????? Why not give it later in the morning??? It doesn't take hours to work for pete's sake!LOL, Well she gave it to him at 6:50 the next morning and I joked with my preceptor that she gave it then because she thought I was going to have him, but my preceptor was made charge nurse and I had different patients!
Thanks for making me feel better :-)
I would call her on it ...absolutely! And you can do it in a very nonchalant way !!! Good Luck!Last edit by KellieNurse06 on Feb 19, '07
Feb 19, '07This is called lateral violence, there is a lot of new nursing literature about how to deal with it- and it is unacceptable!!!! nurses who engage in this behavior are way out of line.
I would just go back to the person -1 time only and say "I want to talk about a situation with you" calm and nonthreatening, then let it go- my motto is- how can someone know they need to change if we don't give them feedback?
Good luck, hard situation
Feb 19, '07Lab comes in at my hospital before 6 and wakes us the pt. I personally see nothing wrong with her waiting until shift change when the pt will soon be gotten up for breakfast. If I were a pt I would not like to be given a suppository at bedtime.
The problem with the nurse was her rude manner of communicating, not the fact that she waited to 6:50 AM to give a suppository. That's good nursing judgement in my opinion.
Feb 19, '07The fact of the matter is not anything other than that nurse gave a suppository at shift change so that the oncoming nurse had a mess to clean up because the nurse wanted to play games (the rude one) ....I can tell you this happens alot, and any good nurse would not do this at change of shift....that's just a "crappy" thing to do...no pun intended.
That nurse has a hair across her butt and maybe her life is so miserable & out of control that this was one thing she could control.
She needs to be told to put a rubber band around her head & snap out of it...lol
Feb 19, '07Once again, I totally disagree. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving a suppository before the the day shift arrives. Yes, I agree, this nurse is out of line in how she communicates, but she gave the suppository at the proper time.
I have had nurses discuss suppositories needed at shift change. There should be communication regarding the plan. For instance she should have mentioned it in report, saying "I wanted to wait until AM for the suppository so the pt can sleep". It should be communicated to the next shift. Or, if the day nurse had communicated properly at shift change, then the night nurse could have said "Oh, I'll give it in the morning, don't worry about it", or the day nurse could have said "Will you give it in the morning, or do you want me to do it?" Communication is the key, not trying to blame one another. Communicate and come up with a plan. I personally would never consider a suppository given to a pt at 6:50 as a way to shift work to me. I would thank the nurse for having given it.Last edit by GardenDove on Feb 19, '07
Feb 19, '07Don't let rude nurses run you off. Just do your job, and if you can force yourself, smile and nod at them. Be good to your patients, make sure you chart and document well, maintain good relationships with the docs, protect yourself.
I let some nurses run me off my first job, and I wish I hadn't. I could have learned a lot, and I loved hospital nursing.
Fate or the Old H.P. have put me in a different place entirely, and I'm glad for it, but I wish I could have had a year on that tele floor.
Hang in there!
Feb 19, '07Quote from GardenDoveSorry, but I think you are seeing it with blinders on as in doing a favor by giving it for the other nurse....., not the big picture as in after it's given........ I have a nurse at my house right now, a very good friend of mine...who works in LTC with patients who routinely get bowel regimens like this done, has been a nurse for 30+ years, and she says this is a dirty thing to do...she has seen it herself time & time again, & has had it done to her as well as others she works with from the types of people who are just plain miserable & yes lazy as well......they can't be bothered and don't want to clean up a mess so they give it with the mindset of someone else will clean it up....Once again, I totally disagree. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving a suppository before the the day shift arrives. Yes, I agree, this nurse is out of line in how she communicates, but she gave the suppository at the proper time.
I have had nurses discuss suppositories needed at shift change. There should be communication regarding the plan. For instance she should have mentioned it in report, saying "I wanted to wait until AM for the suppository so the pt can sleep". It should be communicated to the next shift. Or, if the day nurse had communicated properly at shift change, then the night nurse could have said "Oh, I'll give it in the morning, don't worry about it", or the day nurse could have said "Will you give it in the morning, or do you want me to do it?" Communication is the key, not trying to blame one another. Communicate and come up with a plan. I personally would never consider a suppository given to a pt at 6:50 as a way to shift work to me. I would thank the nurse for having given it.
If the oncoming nurse wants to give the suppository then fine...or if it was discussed beforehand & the oncoming nurse didn't mind that's one thing..... I personally would be pretty disgusted & lose all respect for that other nurse, unless I had discussed it with the her prior to it being given right before shift change.........if they both agreed that it was ok then that's one thing...but she obviously is vindictive.......& does it in a suttle sneaky way.... aas Forreest Gump said..." That's all I got to say about that"Last edit by KellieNurse06 on Feb 19, '07
Feb 19, '07I agree that it's not a conspiracy to give a suppository at the end of the night shift. A suppository should be given when it's most conveinent for the pt - like when they're awake in the morning - who cares when the shifts end/begin.
Anyway, I think that nurse was rude because she's had years of bad days working on a med/surg floor. If she's going to act like that, she should have left a long time ago. Why do mean, miserable nurses stay and polute the environment with nastiness? It's natual for nurses to get burned out - but the nurse should realize when they're turning into a monster, it's time to leave. She's just a sad woman. Block her out of your mind.
And, welcome to the world of med/surg nursing, where there's never enough time to do everything, and others love nail you for mistakes - instead of supporting you and helping you. I lasted 7 months in that environment and got out. Much happier now.
Feb 19, '07Quote from TweetyThis is so true.Please don't generalize the traits of this one experienced nurse on us all.
It is never o.k. for anyone to be rude to anyone at any time. Unfortunately there are rude people in our society.
It is not a tradition to eat our young.
This particular person would have the same personality if she was the President of IBM.
It sounds like you had some very nice nurses on your side.
I agree it is too soon to be proctoring a student - and I'm am also amazed at all the great experiences you are getting as an LVN. This will definitely be an asset for your RN bridge.
I would also take the advice to have a private chat with her about being so rude AND doing it in public. That is unprofessional.
You are a great nurse.
Feb 19, '07There are alot of rude people....at all levels of nursing....If someone speaks rudely to me I immediately challenge them...with increased confidence and experience it will get easier. I have told people "you don't have to speak to me like that" if they say something rudely....or if someone speaks to me an inapproriate way in front of others I have said "would you like to come over here where it is quiet and discuss it with me". In a lot of ways we get what we put up with.
Just my two cents