Is marijuana addictive? - page 5

A couple of us were having this discussion tonight. One nurses says no it is not addictive. I said "well I've know some potheads who couldn't stop smoking, couldn't face life without pot, etc." ... Read More

  1. by   ziggyRn
    Suzy K...aint that true, much of society are like sheep. LOL
  2. by   fergus51
    I never get that about conservatives! Asked about social security or guns and they say that the American people are intelligent enough to plan for their retirement and handle assault weapons, but pot? No way! They are too stupid.
  3. by   kimmicoobug
    I think it should stay illegal for only one reason...the smoke. I find weed to be fairly harmless as long as the person uses it doesn't drive or do it near kids...but I think the same about alcohol too. I actually know several high school aged children who rarely drink (though they would love to) because it is too hard to get alcohol. But they smoke weed on a daily basis. Weed is cheaper and easier for a kid to get (at least in this town). I have also used marijuana in the past, but have used it as an aid to help me relax and to sleep.
  4. by   Q.
    Originally posted by fergus51
    I never get that about conservatives! Asked about social security or guns and they say that the American people are intelligent enough to plan for their retirement and handle assault weapons, but pot? No way! They are too stupid.
    On an individual level, yes, we are. I myself feel intelligent enough to plan for my own retirement or own a gun responsibly. But society at large? As a whole? Yikes. Besides, whether pot is physically addictive or not, it is still mind-altering. Even if we were intelligent to begin with, mind-altering drugs make you kind of stupid.
  5. by   Q.
    Ok, I have a question.
    For all of you in favor of legalizing pot by chanting "but it's not physically addictive", would you change your position if it WAS found to physically addictive?
  6. by   EmeraldNYL
    How did you conservatives get so jaded? Are there stupid people out there? Sure. But what do I care if someone smokes a lot of pot in the privacy of their own home, as long as they don't get in a car and drive? I feel that *most* people are responsible enough to make their own decisions. I have some friends who smoke pot pretty frequently, and they all managed to get through college, go to grad school, get jobs, etc... I also know people(my fiance's brother) who totally got screwed up in drugs because they have no self-control. But, I believe these people are the exception, not the rule. Call me young and naive, but I think people can and should make their own decisions, even if I don't personally agree with them.
  7. by   tiger
    i think they should legalize it and regulate it the same way alcohol is regulated. i personally didn't like it when i used to smoke with my friends. i would like it on occassion though, i think. just me and the hubby vegging out in our own home. no harm in that!
  8. by   sbic56
    After seeing this thread slant towards a pro legalization stance , I wonder is this a fair consensus of the general population? It is nice to see so much intelligent, open conversation on this subject.

    The use of marijuana has remained fairly constant throughout the entire "war" effort and I don't see it going away. It's good to talk about it.
  9. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Ok, I have a question.
    For all of you in favor of legalizing pot by chanting "but it's not physically addictive", would you change your position if it WAS found to physically addictive?
    No. I probably wouldn't for the same reason I am not in favour of criminalizing cigarettes or alcohol: It wastes a lot of money, it doesn't stop people from getting it and it really isn't any more harmful to your health than MacDonald's or Jim Bean or Players light. I just think it's very arbitrary to say alcohol is ok but pot isn't and not really have a reason for that. I mean, I've had about a dozen patients going through the DTs, but I've never had one with pot induced psychoses.

    I personally think tobacco is the devil incarnate . Both my parents have been trying to quit smoking since before I was born. Mom has had a few different types of cancer (needed a hyst in her 20s, has had several bladder tumors and one in the lung treated with surgery last year). If there ever was an addict, it's my mom and it's perfectly legal for her to go on killing herself for a smoke. I would love to stop anyone from smoking. That said, I know that criminalizing something doesn't get rid of it. Pot is illegal, but you can get it whenever you want. And adults can make an informed decision whether or not they choose to use it, just like they can decide whether or not to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol.
  10. by   Hidi74
    Lemme see here, Legalize more Macdonalds......gain more weight....EEK Im still tryin to lose my high school, pot smokin, big mac eatin pounds. :-))
  11. by   mario_ragucci
    The only way is through oxygen, aerobically. Fat won't burn in you; It needs to be metabolised, single adipose cell at a time. Anyone who takes a drug is knowing to be understanding what PO, or drugs. Can you imagine a time before humans got the idea to "take" something? I often wonder what there was...the first drug...mother of all drugs for humans. Ponderous.
  12. by   semstr
    so first of all, Ziggy,Drugs are a problem in every big city. But in Amsterdam, the using of hard drugs is not such a big problem (now in 2002, don't know wehn you visited there) as it was 10 or 15 years ago.

    Federal law allows smoking and selling of pot in certain shops only, the so called "coffeeshops" in Amsterdam. They are heavily controlled by police and the Dutch DEA.
    You may only buy what you can smoke yourself, you don't get mor, they need to see a passport or something too, to see you are over 18.
    Anybody who gets picked up, with pot outside these shops, has to pay a lot of money. (you won't go to jail for just of few grams)

    Now on the other hand, dealing with hard drugs (who are coming in more and more from the former "eastblockcountries", we have a "Russianmafia" here) is of course punished with jail.
    The methadonprograms in Amsterdam are very wide spread and very good organized, and so is the distribution of syringes. (you only get a fresh one, for your dirty one), there are at the moment 5 busses driving through the city (Amsterdam is not big) with supplies. All the users who come to the bus, are being registred so the nurses can keep track on them.
    Of course this no perfect soulution, but when you know one, please tell me.
    BTW, heroin was "tradionitionally" smoked in Holland, one of the reasons, there are not too much HIV-positive users.
    I know all this, cause my BIL ist the drugcoordinator for the province of North-Holland.
    Plus I lived in Amsterdam for a few months in the eighties, it was not so bad then either, but you simply didn't go to certain areas.
    Now, criminality has gone back (the drugscriminality) enourmasly!
  13. by   sbic56
    I like the common sense approach to marijuana that Holland has adopted. It is not promoted, but neither is it illegal for those who want to smoke responsibly. It seems it is regulated quite well, too.
    The US is handling the whole thing so poorly. There is no damned war here! It is an illusion created by the government. The propoganda against marijuana is not believable. I watch these anti marijuana ads and wonder who the hell they think they are impressing/fooling? Let me see...there is the one where the kid shoots his friend with his Dad's gun he finds in the den while they are smoking a bowl. Yeah, some have would be too paranoid to even pick up the gun while stoned. Save that one for an anti drinking ad maybe. Oh...and the one where the kids run over the little girl as they are coming out of the drive thru...again...not likely when would be apt to be more cautious, not less. (Not that smoking and driving should ever be accepted!) Oh, yes...the one with the girl with the joint that came from the dealer that came from the drug lord...and they flash to a little girl who got caught in the crossfire of the dealers and killed. Ummm...if pot were legal, this wouldn't happen. And is as likely that the marijuana was grown right inside the borders of the good ol' USA in the first place and came from a local grower, not a columbian drug lord. Young people see right through that type of propoganda and are probably laughing, smoking a joint as they watch these commercials.

    All I am saying is that to vilify marijuana does not work as it is not evil. I know Bush loves to tack the evil label on everything he can, but that merely shows a lack of imagination and does not help anyone make a choice based on information and common sense. There is nothing wrong with promoting better choices. I am alll for that. Why not focus on the effect exessive pot use has in sapping motivation? Or, the negative effects on the lungs? These are truths. Not even the most pro marijuana people will deny that. Education is the key. Inducing irrational fears and promoting senseless guilt, is not. This refer madness tactic didn't work in the '30's and it isn't working now.