How would you have handled this? - page 2
I am a student RN at Arkansas State University. Last week while doing a clinical in the ICU I approached a situation that I'd like your input on. The doctor came in to see a patient and decided that... Read More
Nov 5, '07Occupation: travel Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in ICU,CCU,Trauma, neuro, geriatrics, telem ; Joined: Jul '04; Posts: 971; Likes: 349One ICU I worked in made terminal weaning patients 1:1 when at all possible. You need to do a lot of teaching and give a lot of support to family. Bedside vigilance to keep the patient comfortable and/or have the patient appear comfortable to family is necessary. Family was also allowed to be at bedside within reason and at the discretion of the nurse.
One patient who was alert but terminal and on a ventilator at the time wanted 5 close family members at her side during her last few hours. That family followed her wishes and had a small and very awesome last party for her. A bottle of champagne was consumed and some snacks were provided by family as they all remembered years of her happy life. This family was quiet and respecful of the ICU environment but still made her last few hours very comfortable. Everyone stepped out for the extubation, once she was comfortable after meds they returned. She slowly faded away as they chatted about her life. I don't remember this lasting long, maybe an hour or so from extubation.
Nov 5, '07Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 889; Likes: 1,977Situations like this one DEMAND that compassion be allowed to trump the silly little RULE BOOK. The nurses argument that patient care is compromised by the family being present is silly.
This patient is dying.
It is the LAST Chance for the family to be fully present with their loved one.
The hours (and minutes) are getting small.
There is ONLY 1 RIGHT answer to a patients family that requests an exception to the "rules" in a situation like this one:
RN to the family: "Whatever you need I am here for you."
The family will remember this forever. If I had been "their" nurse, I'd have followed their desires - providing that it did not compromise other patients. (And I'll bet they did not)
Bless you WTTsMom - sounds like you are getting your head and heart in the right place. It takes both - and you are on your way to being a good nurse.
FYI-I have "delayed" helicopter transports (and critically needed intubation) to allow the family the time to say "Goodbye". Sometimes, I may not not always know what is right - but, I always know what is KIND. I'll choose that when conflicted.
Nov 5, '07Joined: May '06; Posts: 33; Likes: 20Flex your visiting hours and allow extra visitation while keeping control of the situation for the good of everyone in the ICU. Wife or parents or children at the bedside as much as they want as long as it is not a crowd. Stress to the family that for the wellbeing of the other patients in the ICU visiting will have some limitations (no more than 2 other than the wife, etc) but that you will do everything you can to accomodate them. Most people are agreeable, understand your position and are willing to work with you as long as you are willing to work with them.
Balance order with compassion and most of all communicate. A lot of customer service issues can be dealt with by compassionate, empathetic and clear communication.
Nov 5, '07Occupation: RN Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in Trauma ICU, MICU/SICU ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,119; Likes: 113Quote from SICU QueenAbsolutely! I don't understand the 2 at the bedside when the patient is dying. Give the family their privacy and allow them to spend their last moments with their loved ones. Limiting this is barbaric.I am a major stickler when it comes to visiting hours because I believe patients get more rest and we nurses are better able to coordinate care when there are no distractions from family.
That being said... when someone is dying, I throw the hours out of the window. Curtains can be pulled and doors closed, and honestly, whatever it is that I have to do is nowhere near as important as the family being able to say goodbye.
Nov 5, '07Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 9,601; Likes: 3,188a vent can be cared for in a private room and it would have freed an icu bed for someone who coulld be helped
man must have been someone special if so many in family came to see him..
Nov 6, '07Joined: Nov '07; Posts: 2; Likes: 2I think the nurse should have let the family spend more time with the patient. When I did my rotation in ICU there was a patient who had been taken off the vent that morning and the nurse allowed the family to spend time with the patient. I think the family need time to say good bye to the patient to help deal with the grieving process.