Gov't interference in contract negotiations

  1. Guess how much MANDATORY OT you will have to be working to make up for all that lost MD/hospital income from those cancelled surgeries! when something goes wrong & a pt is harmed, the nurse ends up being sued, fired & having action taken her license. I wonder, besides the one in Massachusetts, have any nurses sued their board of nursing & their employer for putting them in this kind of situation & setting them up for something going wrong in the first place?
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  3. by   fergus51
    We don't really have mandatory OT, that's what pisses me off about the gov't trying to make us do OT. According to our contract nurses are supposed to do a reasonable amount of OT. Individually we have always been allowed to refuse to work overtime. Once we did it collectively the gov't decided to make collective refusal of OT illegal. I am encouraging nurses to just not answer the phone when the hospital calls.
  4. by   canoehead
    New Brunswick is also forbidden to strike, happened in January I think.

    NS nurses and unions say they will be walking out on June 27 whether the legislation passes or not. And they have the support of other unionized employees in the province and the Medical Society. They will be facing some heavy fines, but as one letter to the editor said, they can't lock up all 7000 of them.

    The problem in Canada as I see it is that the money for hospitals comes from the province, so the government of course is going to do anything it can to prevent having to pay out more money. Essentially the employer can change the laws of the land, especially when things aren't going their way.

    Rally and walkout in NS today at 6pm, hope it goes well.
  5. by   Kare
    The premier of Nova Scotia, John Hamm, a family Dr. x 30 years is now saying he won't pass the law prohibiting any strike action if the unions can get their members to ratify a contract by this Monday. They won't sit @ the table( union + employer ) til Thursday,leaving no time to work out any of the issues. So basically it means accept the contracts you rejected or else...
    No wonder when Hamm and his health minister Muir stepped out they were heckled, booed, ignored, then some started to sing "Who let the dogs out? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? " No disrespect intended to our 4 legged friends.
    Hamm's heavy hand shows the old " I'm the Dr. and I know what' s best attitude". He needs to wake up and see nurses won't accept mandatory callback...we can't work any pt. load has doubled in the past 5 years, the pts. are more acute...I'm cut to a 3/5 position and am glad because I don't think I could do full time.... ((
  6. by   fergus51
    OK, so it looks like nurses in NS are going to be forbidden to strike (like nurses in Alberta, PEI and Ontario already are). Now the gov't here is targeting nurses also.

    We are in the middle of contract negotiations and the gov't has said that we aren't getting a better offer than the one we just voted almost 97% to reject. We haven't been on strike, but we have been refusing to do non-nursing duties (which in my opinion we should be refusing all the time anyways) and refusing to do overtime (over 5000 elective surgeries cancelled in 2 months). The gov't called the legislature back for an emergency session as they want to enforce a "cooling off period" for up to 60 days where we would be forced to end our job action. Is this the action of a democratic governement? How the hell can a gov't mandate me by law to do jobs that AREN"T MINE and come in ON MY DAYS OFF IF I DON"T FEEL LIKE IT?!

    I am absolutely furious. If they would offer a decent contract in the first place none of this would've happened. Can you imagine the money they are going to have to payin OT to catch up on all the cancelled sugeries they've caused? I am so frustrated with the stupidity of the people we are negotiating with and the general public who has wavered between being supportive and calling us greedy that I am tempted to return to the US. Granted conditions suck there too, but I can make 20 000$ a year more there.
  7. by   fergus51
    There's a recruiter coming from California tommorow. They're expecting a full house. Nurses are talking about mass resignations. I have no idea what to do anymore. I am not going in for any more overtime. I am not answering the phone when the hospital calls. I am just so sick of this BS.
  8. by   journeyy
    Anyone remember the Air Traffic Controllers vs. Ronald Regan? Do you really believe that what is happening in Canada won't happen in the U.S.?
  9. by   canoehead
    Dr Hamm will withdraw the antistrike legislation if a contract can be worked out, but he will not move on his offers, basically the "working out"be all one sided.

    I did my student training in the same small hospital that Dr Hamm worked in and really felt he was one of the more thoughtful and compassionate docs on staff. I think he sincerely feels he is doing the right thing, but he has to realize that the whole system is sick, and nurses have taken it for so many years, their frustrations have reached critical mass. I believe that if they had a decent workload, resources and supplies available the situation would be more amicable. The fact that Canadian politicians just voted themselves a 30% raise doesn't help either.

    As a recent editorial says, there are too many members of the public who have watched nurses do without, and go the extra mile in spite of government cutbacks. They won't accept nurses as money hungry, or uncaring, and are standing behind them. SEVEN unions are publicly supporting NURSES!!
  10. by   natalie
    This is tough for the Canadian nurses. The union is not able to publicly sanction going against the law. If this continues on much longer, I see an even deeper exodus of Canadian nurses to the U.S. (Lousy for Canadians, but US nurses would welcome them with open arms.)

    B.C. nurses bow to new labour law
    Union ends overtime ban: 'We don't characterize it as defeat ... The employer still must negotiate'

    Ian Bailey, with files from Joan Bryden, Southam News
    National Post, with files from Southam News
    VANCOUVER - The union representing British Columbia nurses has called off a ban on working overtime and suggested that individual members should decide whether to put in extra hours required to provide effective health care.

    The British Columbia Nurses Union said yesterday it would support any nurses who face sanctions from employers for refusing overtime.

    The declaration came after the B.C. Liberal government passed legislation to end an overtime ban that has forced the cancellation of more than 5,000 operations since April, causing widespread chaos in the province's health care system.

    "We don't characterize it as defeat," said Debra McPherson, the president of the union. "We still do not have a collective agreement. The employer still must negotiate."

    Nurses have been using the overtime ban as a tactic to bolster their contract demands for a top hourly wage of $38. They are being offered $32.42.

    The Liberal bill also shuts down a strike by 14,000 lab technicians, therapists and other members of the Health Sciences Association.

    It came into effect as Roy Romanow began public hearings into the future of Canada's health care system yesterday, and as about 9,000 nurses and health care workers in Nova Scotia continued their battle against a proposed procincial law that would take away their right to strike.

    Mr. Romanow expressed hope that the twin crises would underline the need for some long-term reforms to the health system.

    "I think maybe all of this points ... to the fact that we have a very serious situation on our hands and short-term answers are just that," the former Saskatchewan premier told reporters.

    "We've got to come up with some long-term solutions. And I'm hoping that everybody, the public and premiers, are now of the mood to give and take and collaborate to find those long-term solutions."

    B.C.'s health care workers launched a strike on Monday that added to the problems in B.C. hospitals. However, late yesterday, association officials said their members would return to work today.

    "We are willing to give Gordon Campbell [the Premier] a chance to prove himself and deliver on the promises he made to both the people of British Columbia and the health professionals that work in the health care system," said Cindy Stewart, the president of the association.

    The head of the nurses union said her members had no option but to obey the law.

    "The decision was taken in respect of the rule of law," said Ms. McPherson. "That decision was not difficult. Nurses believe in the law."

    But she predicted things will get much worse as the predictability of a co-ordinated overtime campaign fractures into a series of individual choices by far-flung members. "It creates a state of turmoil," she said.

    Both the nurses and association have been ordered back to the bargaining table by the weekend.

    Association negotiators are seeking a 27% wage increase over two years. They have been offered 6% over three years.

    John Hamm, the Nova Scotia Premier and a family physician, is holding round-the-clock sessions at the legislature to pass Bill 68, which also gives the provincial Cabinet the ability to impose settlements rather than go to binding arbitration.

    The turmoil in B.C.'s health care system is providing an early test for the Liberals, who won 77 of 79 seats in a provincial election last month that ended 10 years of NDP government in British Columbia.

    Joy MacPhail, the NDP leader and one of only two New Democrats in the legislature, rejected suggestions that the Liberals could be excused because the NDP has been running the system until now.

    "The public voted for the new era of the Liberals," she said. "They rejected us and I accept that. But if this is the new era, [it] doesn't bode well for fixing the health care system."

    Ms. MacPhail said the move by the new government could also deter nurses from coming to work in British Columbia.

    "Yesterday, health care professionals from across North America were given a very strong message: 'Don't come to B.C. If you come to B.C., you're going to be shackled to the bedside without any right to have input into your wages or working conditions.' It certainly isn't a siren call to health care professions to come here."

    The province is grappling with a shortage of nurses, prompted in part by the exodus of professional nurses to the United States.

    In a brief, health-focused Throne Speech read just hours before the Liberals passed their legislation, the labour disputes were blamed for bringing the "health care system to a point of crisis."

    The speech said the government is planning legislation to restore health services.

    "In doing so, it will provide time for the health unions and employers to explore solutions to the most pressing issues that are preventing agreement," the speech said.

    Gary Moser, spokesman for the Health Employers Association, was hoping for a quick return to bargaining table. "You need to approach every corner the road takes with optimism. We'll do that and hope for progress. There have been strong positions taken by both sides. We've said we don't have any more [money]. They have said you need a lot more money. It will require mutual co-operation to find a solution."
  11. by   fergus51
    I am starting to hate Gary Moser more and more Don't have anymore money my a$$! They always have more in the budget when politicians want a raise. I just couldn't believe it when he said nurses need to start putting their patients first...START?! What the hell does he think nurses have been doing for the past ten years? We have sacrificed ourselves to be the bandaid on a very screwed up health care system and have managed to hold things together. Now when we are finally educating the public and refusing to be burned out to fix this system (which has been screwed up by administrators and politicians in the first place!!!) we are greedy and need to put our patients first. I wonder how many other professions would be mandated by law to work more than full time and do jobs that aren't theirs? I doubt anyone else would be called selfish for not wanting to do this.

    I went to hear from a recruiter from Peyton O'Grady and was amazed that any of us are still here. I am seriously considering signing on for a travel assignment. You should see the wages and bonuses they offer!!! I can't get benefits here because I am a casual worker, but I could get them (and a WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY better wage) if I abandon the province. What's the incentive for us to stay? The interesting thing was, this talk was aimed at new grads too. Here they can seldom go into specialty areas right after graduation so a lot are considering a move to the US..... Depressing....
  12. by   -jt
    Do you really believe that what is happening in Canada won't happen in the U.S.?

    What happened with the air traffic controllers & Reagan & what is happening with the Canadian nurses happened because they were/are employees of the government. Military nurses & nurses who work in VA hospitals are in the same boat too. Federal govt employees have different rules & regualtions that have to work by & its very different from the private sector where the majority of us work. What happened to them cant happen to us.
  13. by   -jt
    What the hell does he think nurses have been doing for the past ten years?

    he knows exactly what youve been doing. That doesnt matter. His intent is to get the public on his side. He will work that greedy angle into the media every chance he gets to try to cut your public support & get the pressure off of him. Its a diversionary tactic. Hes playing the game right. Youve written an excellent letter & more than just us should see it. I hope you consider sending it in to every newspaer & tv station in the province. In fact print, all of these & send them, too.
  14. by   -jt
    "an overtime ban that has forced the CANCELLATION of more than 5,000 operations since April, causing widespread chaos in the province's health care system. Nurses have been using the overtime ban as a tactic to bolster their contract demands "

    just imagine what we could do if we had that kind of unity & solidarity in this country.