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What conditions would cause so many nurses to leave? Our ER has been losing friends fast. Why is there such a large turnover in nursing? I'm going to school, yet I talk to many RN's who are looking... Read More
Nov 24, '06Quote from tntech1why are you so uptight, take a chill pill, i love the nursing profession. they are over worked and under paid!!! i surely would not want miss uptight taking care of me either!!! who i would want taking care of my love one is, someone who is not uptight, without a headache and no red cheeks
sorry, just having fun, seriously, i know nurses have a very very difficult job and i thank god for nurses and the profession.
well my friend, you should be happy to know that i took a chill pill and i feel much better now, hopefully that was my last loss of control, and i don't mean bladder control! ha ha. i've been quite stressed lately but is no excuse for being rude. forgive please? i'll try to be good in the future.
Nov 24, '06Hey Ronna, no need to apologise to anyone, we are all entitled to a few nervous breakdowns before we retire from this field!!:chuckle
Nov 24, '06I'm graduating in May w/ my R.N. & in general I had my "reality check" several months ago ......
I'm going to try to SOMEHOW make it work, because I've invested so much time & money into it (actually, I do like Psych...?)
But, I will NOT ever recommend nursing to anyone from here on out, actually I tell them to run the other way & don't look back!....
Nov 24, '06Quote from RonnaI am sorry if I offended you or anyone else. You were not rude, you just expressed your feelings and I respect that .Well my friend, you should be happy to know that I took a chill pill and I feel much better now, hopefully that was my last loss of control, and I don't mean bladder control! ha ha. I've been quite stressed lately but is no excuse for being rude. Forgive please? I'll try to be good in the future.
Nov 25, '06Quote from lizz:icon_hug:To me, at least, this is also absurd.
As a fellow student, I think we need to quit lecturing RN's about the way things are because, quite frankly, we really don't know until we're in their shoes.
When instructors say things like this, the first thing you have to ask is ... if things were so great then why aren't you still at the bedside? The fact is: they got out for a reason. I've asked my instructors this same question and, most of the time, they've fessed up. Teaching is a much cushier job ... and they know it. They tend to forget what it was like once they get into academia.
And btw ... when RN's take their lunches when you're externing, part of the reason for that is ... you're externing and helping them with some, if not alot of the work (at least if you're not a total novice.) Ask them if they're taking lunch on days when they don't have any extra help.
I've been externing in California where ratios and working conditions are better than most places. And it's still very tough. These patients are so sick and the acuities are so high ... try taking lunch when one patient's blood sugar is plummeting, another's BP is dropping like a rock and yet another patient's temp has jumped to 103.
Meanwhile, management is riding you to discharge this patient and admit another so they can make a few extra bucks. And, even if the other patients are stable some of them are patients from hell who are riding the call lights like crazy and management will write you up for not answering the light in two seconds flat because of their customer service criteria BS.
I'm sorry but, as a student ... I feel I need to say this: SHUT UP until you're actually doing the job with YOUR LICENSE ON THE LINE.
Because neither you nor I know what it's really like.
Nov 25, '06Quote from hope3456Thanks. I started as a CNA, as well.I like the way you think, HELLLO nurse. I worked as a CNA b/f and during nursing school. The best thing that came of it was i became aware of the *crap* involved - and better know what to expect from management/ the system now that I am a RN. I better know how to navigate it (the system) and nothing shocks me. Sometimes I wonder where I would be if I hadn't had that previous 'conditioning.' If only I could do things over........
From one former CNA turned RN to another.
Nov 25, '06WHY are they leaving, did they leave , will they leave? Right now I am up at 545 am, tears in my eyes from pain.
I'm a child of the 50s and 60s so I can say with authority that "the establishment" does not regard their seniors as they should. I'd like to see a count of how many of us (oldies) here were kicked to the curb.
I have a LOT to give in experience, knowledge and skills. However, why are they (we) leaving? They don't want us anymore is what I see.
Nov 25, '06I have to believe that we leave because you can't "turn off" being a nurse. It's a 24/7 job, whether you're being paid or not. YOu mentally take your work home with you, and sometimes physically (On you uniform).
It's also what you make of it. If you let other workers degrade you and do nothing, than who's at fault. If a doctor expects you to fetch his coffee and hand him papers, and you do, who's to blame? I learned a long time ago to stand up for myself (but not in an obnoxious way). Not only does it make others treat you better, but you feel better about yourself. Why would you let co-workers and complete strangers treat you worse than your own family?
I also believe that the work level that most, not all, nurses are expected to function is incredible. Management knows that we WILL go without lunch, breaks, bathroom time, stay late, because of the PATIENTS, no because of MANAGEMENT. It's just something we as nurses do, other people can't comprehend why. Our jobs don't stop just cause the clock says it's quitting time. We can't close the doors at 5pm on Friday and reopen on Monday.
We don't slow down on holidays, or off shifts.
It takes someone very special and dedicated to become a nurse. I applaud each and everyone of us, and those in school, who have accepted this challange. And boy what a challenge it is.
Maybe some of the "posters" who are in school will be the ones to figure out how to make our jobs easier and less stressful
Nov 25, '06Quote from flyternI have just read this phrase one too many times in this thread and others today.....It's also what you make of it.....
Nov 25, '06Quote from twotrees2Well, if passing on work to the next shift is not an option at your facility, then I would suggest working overtime and making sure you get your overtime pay. Hopefully, the facility will get tired of paying the OT and possibly do something about it. I guess there is no real answer. Most hospitals, not all, take advantage of their workforce due to coporate greed. And yes, at every interview they ask, " Are you familiar with the misson statement." Secretly I tell myself, "Yeah...I'm here to run my butt off, put my license on the line, and wear a smile on my face to every disgruntled pt, MD, RN, etc, with an attitude problem." Because in fact what all this boils down to is GREED. It's a sad, sad, thing.HAHAHAHAH phew - sorry had to laugh - nextshift doing it? yeah - i can go away for 2 days and still have to finish the paperwpork from admit i started 2 days ago - all the shifts are as bad as the next on staffing and even though days have powers that be there all day that are rns do you think any of thoise powers that be will chip in and help? NO. nursing is like chasing your tail an never being able to catch it.
Nov 25, '06I work in a SNF...I always have since I love the geriatric population. But I also have anywhere from 21 to 36 patients depending on which floor I'm on. I left one job because I got tired of the holes in the schedule that were never filled and you were told, when it was time to go home, that they couldn't find anyone so you'd have to stay for the double, and if you didn't you'd be reported to the board. They didn't care that a young child would be coming home from school to an empty house. Then your supervisor would add, "Bye, I'm going home now." That's a whole lot of disrespect, not to mention too much responsibiliy for someone who's tired and achy at this point and is expected back at 6:30am the next day. Then add the families who want their loved one cared for RIGHT NOW even though you and your aides are spread too thin to give proper care. And then there are athletes who make a whole lot more in a season than any of us will in our lifetimes...and we're responsible for people's lives. I don't expect 5 million a year, but a little more would be nice.
And did you read the post about the Wisconsin nurse who's facing 6 years in prison for a med error? Whether she was right or wrong, we all face the same possibilities.
And we work holidays and weekends. If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't go into nursing. I'd stay in the medical field, but I'd be in a different part of it. Probably in some capacity as a patient advocate for the elderly.
I know this sounds so negative, but after only 13 years as a nurse, I'm tired. And burning out. The only thing that keeps me going is when some little old lady grabs my hand and pulls me close for a hug and tells me how sweet I am.
Nov 25, '06Pass it on to the next shift!!!!!!! You haven't seen a dirty look till you've tried that one! Chasing your tail and never catching it. Too darn true!
Nov 25, '06Quote from PPHawkI think most of us don't pass off to the next shift because we know they are in the same boat we are. Yesterday was horribly busy in the ER, When the next shift came on, I just told my "relief" to pick up the new patients I had not seen yet, and I would finish up the rest. I had double what I would consider a safe load, had not even seen 2 patients who had come in 2 hours before shift change and didn't even know they were there. The triage nurse usually lets you know you have a new patient, but she was way behind all day, and barely keeping afloat. I stayed not because of administration or even my patients, but for my co-workers.Pass it on to the next shift!!!!!!! You haven't seen a dirty look till you've tried that one! Chasing your tail and never catching it. Too darn true!
We were short staffed and no one could/would come in to help. 2 extra doctors came in to help, but once they came in it really got bad, because we had more orders to do. They can order a lot faster than we can complete them.
I "only" had to stay an hour overtime (of course no lunch either) to finish charting, give report to the floor on 2 patients and get them upstairs.
Of course my rooms were not stocked, I left my bandage scissors in a room where I was cutting splinting material, I left my lunch in the frig, and I stumbled to my car praying to make it home safely.
And we have to worry about being sued or prosecuted if we make a med error??? Whose fault is it. Is it administration for putting us in unsafe situations or ours for staying?
For me, this is a short term problem because I am in week two of a thirteen week travel contract. You can bet I won't be renewing this one!
What a shift! I am getting too old for this.