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Hello! We've been having some discussion on my unit about charge nurse responsibilities. During the week on day shift, our NM and ANM share charge suties. Evenings during the week, we have an ANM that does charge. Nights and weekends, it's staff nurses who step up to the charge position. I have a couple of questions for ya'll now that you have some background...

1. Does your charge nurse take a full pt assignment? Our day charge RNs rarely do, evenings sometimes, and nights always have between 6 and 8 pts.

2. What does the charge nurse do? We seem to have no set rules except that they assign beds. When they don't have pts, some of them run around asking everyone else if they are doing okay, need help, etc, and doing whatever they can. Some of them just jump in and do what needs to be done (e.g., if someone wants pain meds, they will just give the pain meds rather than tracking down the nurse and telling them to do it). And then some of them just sit on their tooshies not doing anything, not helping anyone, and never even walking down to the other end of the unit to see what is going on over there. Some have even gone so far as to refuse to help nurses, even when they don't have pts themselves! They sit in the station and read magazines, make fun of the other nurses, etc. What happens on your unit? Do you have a set of responsibilities, or is it just every charge nurse for him/herself?

Specializes in Rehab.

:flowersfo Tweety, Can I come work with you?

Specializes in Orthopedics/Med-Surg, LDRP.

I work nights on an ortho/neuro floor and during the day we've got set charges who don't take assignemtns but go room to room checking for patient problems - basically doing PR work to make sure patient satisfaction stayes up and to quel any potential problems. They also check all the fridges daily, check the code carts daily, do rounds with the social workers/case managers every other day, do the chart checks and IV push meds for the LPN's, call-backs for discharged patients and whatever else help they can do. They don't take any patients unless someone has to leave on an emergency or we have an unexpected 8 hr nurse and no coverage from 3-7pm.

At night, usually charge is the most experienced nurse on the floor and lately they've put me in charge which has been surprising as I haven't even been here a year yet. At night we do take a regular patient assignment (tonight I've got 6 pts), we help the others in doing admissions, med-recs or whatever else we can help out with and make the morning assignments up for the day shift. At night we're like the go-to person as most of the stuff gets done during the day. Our day charges don't work weekends and one of our experienced Baylor people does weekend day charge.

Do charge nurses precept new grads? That is happening where I'm working and it doesn't seem fair to new grads or to the charge nurse.

Specializes in Orthopedics/Med-Surg, LDRP.

I've never seen the charge nurse precept new grads where I work - not on any unit. I never even seen it at the hospitals I did clinicals at either.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg.
Hello! We've been having some discussion on my unit about charge nurse responsibilities. During the week on day shift, our NM and ANM share charge suties. Evenings during the week, we have an ANM that does charge. Nights and weekends, it's staff nurses who step up to the charge position. I have a couple of questions for ya'll now that you have some background...

1. Does your charge nurse take a full pt assignment? Our day charge RNs rarely do, evenings sometimes, and nights always have between 6 and 8 pts.

2. What does the charge nurse do? We seem to have no set rules except that they assign beds. When they don't have pts, some of them run around asking everyone else if they are doing okay, need help, etc, and doing whatever they can. Some of them just jump in and do what needs to be done (e.g., if someone wants pain meds, they will just give the pain meds rather than tracking down the nurse and telling them to do it). And then some of them just sit on their tooshies not doing anything, not helping anyone, and never even walking down to the other end of the unit to see what is going on over there. Some have even gone so far as to refuse to help nurses, even when they don't have pts themselves! They sit in the station and read magazines, make fun of the other nurses, etc. What happens on your unit? Do you have a set of responsibilities, or is it just every charge nurse for him/herself?

1. Yes, we do. Day shift charge nurses don't take patients on my medical unit. Night shift nurses, however, do. Now ask me how the dayshift charge nurse job is different.... the only difference is that they take off orders on the charts. I would gladly give up my patient load on my charge nights to take off orders.

2. See #1. Charge nurses on my unit either (nights) have their own patient, or (days) help out with the other teams patients (in theory...depends on the nurse). We have to do the quality checks on the accucheck machines, assign new patient beds and track admissions and discharges, deal with staffing, handle conflicts, listen to the other nurses complain about everything under the sun, do charge paperwork that tracks how many patients and staff we had (census, etc). Many other things.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Do charge nurses precept new grads? That is happening where I'm working and it doesn't seem fair to new grads or to the charge nurse.

No that's not fair at all.

We were horribly short staffed recently and the last two days of a new grads orientation they gave her and I 4 patients. That wasn't fair to either one of us but it worked out. She was basically independent, but I certainly couldn't do much teaching, or even get hands on with my patients.

It's rare, but it does happen that way and only if the new grad is on the very tail end of their orientation.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
:flowersfo Tweety, Can I come work with you?

Sure! I'll orient you to relief charge and you can give me a break. :lol2: :lol2:

Hmmm...it sounds like a lot of you have someone who is a "charge nurse"...is that all they do? As in - is that their title, or are the staff RNs who are in charge sometimes? Most of the time, our charge is just a regular staff RN who is in charge because there is no manager there. Now I have to say, my unit that I am on now is the only one in the hospital that I have seen where the NM/ANM are charge. Also, it sounds like your charge RNs do a lot of things that other people do on my unit. The code carts are checked by the day charge, but the QC on the acuchek machines is done by night techs. Our UCs do the tracking as far as discharges go, and the charge nurse usually just says, "there's a Mr. X on the bedboard - can you put him into 22 please?" and the UC does that too. The only actual, official things that our charge nurses do - that every single one of them does - is bed pts/assignment/staffing issues, and I think that all pretty much goes together.

Some of them, like I said, want to know what's going on on the unit, and others could care less. Now the particular night in question with the magazines and whatnot, that was because the RN who was going to be in charge called in and this other one took her place. And I was fine, I was actually helping other people for a little bit because my group was under control, but once I started passing my 2100 meds, I felt bad because there was another nurse who was drowning and nobody would help her! I hung some abx (thats so weird for me to write - we always say atb!) for her, but that was all I could do. And the thing is, she is so nice that I don't think she was even mad, but I was a little bit because I was thinking, "if ________ was in charge, she would be helping!" And I mean, not to pick on this one nurse, because there are several like her, but I have heard someone ask her for help (not when she was in charge), and heard her say to the person, "why should I help you? I'm done with my work. You should learn how to manage your time better". I guess that's sort of turning into an attitude thing, though. My point is, shouldn't the charge nurse be making sure that things are working smoothly on the entire unit? She was only in charge for 4 hours, be she ignored 3 RNs and 15 pts - she never left the station on my side!

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Hmmm...it sounds like a lot of you have someone who is a "charge nurse"...is that all they do? As in - is that their title, or are the staff RNs who are in charge sometimes? Most of the time, our charge is just a regular staff RN who is in charge because there is no manager there. Now I have to say, my unit that I am on now is the only one in the hospital that I have seen where the NM/ANM are charge. Also, it sounds like your charge RNs do a lot of things that other people do on my unit. The code carts are checked by the day charge, but the QC on the acuchek machines is done by night techs. Our UCs do the tracking as far as discharges go, and the charge nurse usually just says, "there's a Mr. X on the bedboard - can you put him into 22 please?" and the UC does that too. The only actual, official things that our charge nurses do - that every single one of them does - is bed pts/assignment/staffing issues, and I think that all pretty much goes together.

Some of them, like I said, want to know what's going on on the unit, and others could care less. Now the particular night in question with the magazines and whatnot, that was because the RN who was going to be in charge called in and this other one took her place. And I was fine, I was actually helping other people for a little bit because my group was under control, but once I started passing my 2100 meds, I felt bad because there was another nurse who was drowning and nobody would help her! I hung some abx (thats so weird for me to write - we always say atb!) for her, but that was all I could do. And the thing is, she is so nice that I don't think she was even mad, but I was a little bit because I was thinking, "if ________ was in charge, she would be helping!" And I mean, not to pick on this one nurse, because there are several like her, but I have heard someone ask her for help (not when she was in charge), and heard her say to the person, "why should I help you? I'm done with my work. You should learn how to manage your time better". I guess that's sort of turning into an attitude thing, though. My point is, shouldn't the charge nurse be making sure that things are working smoothly on the entire unit? She was only in charge for 4 hours, be she ignored 3 RNs and 15 pts - she never left the station on my side!

Our staff nurses, including those who do relief charge are RN II's. I am an RN III, which is specific to being a charge nurse, or leader on a unit. So it is a position, with more responsibility and authority (to write up and discipline co-workers, which I've fortunately only done once in 15 years).

It also sounds to me that you have issues with specific people who do charge on your unit and it doesn't sound like us giving you a definition of what a charge nurse is supposed to do, in our facility (and it does differ from place to place) is going to help you. Obviously we're not going to agree that it's in our job description to sit around and read magazines all day, ignoring what is going on, while co-workers drown. I think you know the answer to your last question.

I guess my real question is, do you have a written policy detailing what charge responsibilities are? Because it seems that a lot of the people who responded have staff that are designated charge nurses, and that they maybe aren't a manager, but do have more authority than a staff RN. True, our charge nurse is usually someone who has been around for awhile, but there is no special "charge" training or anything like that. The charge nurse gets paid more while they are in charge, but that's really it. I just think there should be more to being in charge than bedding pts/making the assignment. I don't know what to do about our situation, as I obviously have no authority. I just worry about some of the newer nurses who are intimidated by these charge nurses and therefore, if they are afraid to ask for help, or do ask but don't get it, they will just "do the best they can", and I don't think they should have to do that - it's not fair to them or to the pts (wow, long sentence, sorry!!). I am willing to do what I can to help, and luckily that day I was able to, but I can't always do that when I have my own pts to take care of. I just don't like the idea of these nurses feeling this way, and it seems that the newer they are, the more they think they have to put up with not getting the help they need.

Specializes in Rehab.
Sure! I'll orient you to relief charge and you can give me a break. :lol2: :lol2:

*morphes into the Incredible Hulk*

*Background tunes: I've got the POWERRRRRRRRRR*

Hi there,

I am a process improvement engineer interested in the nursing perspective since I am not clinical and this whole Charge taking assignments issue has come up in our hospitals as well. Anyone have any ICU advice on the subject?

Thanks!

Gayle

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