BSN minimum requirement

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It is my firm belief that the minimum requirement for nursing should be a BSN. We want to be accepted as a profession, yet we allow 2 year programs to dominate the field. Now I went to a 2 year program and will be finishing my BSN this semester. My school did a great job preparing me for "tasks" of nursing, but oh, it is so much more than that. Many other countries have moved or are moving towards 4yr degree minimums and the US needs to stay atop in this competative field. The nursing shortage will not always be here and it is to your advantage to get your degree now. The 2 yr programs will make a great footstep in the years to come, but the 4yr degree will become the RNs of the future. As nurses move into the 21st century we need to pull together to demonstrate our power as a profession, the only way to do this is to have strong, educated nurses in not just bedside tasks but critically thinking, politics, research and community health. Think about it, comments welcome.

Originally posted by LBURNS

Couple of rebuttals if you don't mind:

"I can't believe that you people have the nerve to sit and say that you are better than someone else because you have a BSN, MSN, PHD, or degree in IDIOT HEAD."

Nowhere in my posting is it stated that anyone person is better than anyone else. However, beyond a personal attacks we as a society need nurses with more rounded educations.

"Because we as nurses want to be more than what we are. Glorified butt wipers. Yesss. That is all you are."

I don't believe that at all and if that is the case, all technical skills can be done by anyone taking an 8hr seminar. That is why it is so important for us to become more educated. We are a very powerful group of professionals but we don't show it. Let's face it, if we were taken as serious as lets say the NRA think of the health care policy we could affect and change. We aren't because people throw out the notions above, stagnating us not only as professionals but as people.

"Do you think that because you have more education in THIS particular field you are better than someone else. You are soo wrong. "

I don't think I am better than anybody, I do believe I am more prepared to face society and makes changes in health policy.

"Besides most of you wont step foot into a nursing home because this is beneath you also, so tell me, who is going to take care of them. Get over it. All you are doing is making a living."

I didn't get into nursing for making a living because there are many other ways that are easier to earn money. I sense some anger and perhaps fear in your statements stemming from somewhere other than my meager posting. However, I am in nursing to help people, to makes changes in others life, as a sense of accomplishment at the end of a hard day. I have worked in nursing homes as a volunteer and will continue to do so as I see fit.

"because this is only for those who feel as though ADN, Diploma,and LPN's are beneath them. The Heavenly Father only knows what you think of CNA's. "

CNAs work very hard, as do all the others. However, it remains their choice to do the job that they do. They certainly work with the rest of us as team players in caring for the pt.

"And for your information. I am currently obtaining my BSN just because I want to not to attempt at putting others down."

I hope that you find what you are looking for. Your letter exhibits so much anger

and reads in so many things that I can only assume were left overs from your own experiences. However, if you truly believe you are a glorified "butt wiper" why ever would you spend the time and energy to get your BSN? I am glad for you but you statements are misleading and confusing. Good luck to you in your endeavors.[/QUO

Now you think you are a therapist. I have anger towards people who sit and cry about simle things. You write a post about something that gets people all bent out of shape on when it is discussed with friends and you think that people are going to sit and be happy with it because YOU write it, well you are wrong. We, as you know worked hard in nursing school to get where we are today and for someone of the same profession to come say that we are not good enough because we didn't graduate from a 4 year school is crazy. If you don't consider your self a professional keep to yourself. You should always think that about yourself no matter what you do. I have my opinons and that is what they are, just what I wrote. If you don't like it so what. I don't have to have any anger because the statements I made. YOU are a very funny person for saying that. If someone says something that you don't like or agree with they have a problem. Sounds like you have a little problem there sweetie. Maybe you need to further your education and become a Dr. before you try to go around and making assumptions about what a person has going on in their lives. You know what! I just figured it out! YOU don't have enough control over your life so you try to control others that what it is isn't it. Get a life sweetheart. And as a matter of fact our job is done by other professionals everyday if you want to believe it or not. Go into a hospital that uses a LPN to do a RN's job and all we have to do is there assessment and this pt. has TLC. Or maybe you should go into a home for the Mentally or Physically Disabled, and CNA's or home companions are passing meds and doing tx's. with a 4-hour course that they are taught. And what about this, all of the family members that take care of their loved ones at home and all of the critical thinking that they use when taking care of them. So that is just what we are "GLORIFIED BUTT WIPERS", that must scare you and make you angry, me personally I'm o.k. with it because I knew what I was getting my self into. I know I will have a job after all this is said and done, the shortage of nurses will go on and I will continue on in school because I want to like I said before.

Anyone who sees themselves as something other than a professional is the reason why we are not seen as professionals. You that is that classical conditioning and they did a good one on nurses. Go to a nurse who has been a nurse for 25-30 years and you all will understand why you feel the way you feel about yourself. It's called LOW SELF ESTEEM and you all are trying to live up to someone else's expectations. Just be the best nurse that you can be and care about your pts. everything will be alright. When I say you it isn't meant towards any particular person. BYEEEEE

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Originally posted by LBURNS

Couple of rebuttals if you don't mind:

"I can't believe that you people have the nerve to sit and say that you are better than someone else because you have a BSN, MSN, PHD, or degree in IDIOT HEAD."

Nowhere in my posting is it stated that anyone person is better than anyone else. However, beyond a personal attacks we as a society need nurses with more rounded educations.

"Because we as nurses want to be more than what we are. Glorified butt wipers. Yesss. That is all you are."

I don't believe that at all and if that is the case, all technical skills can be done by anyone taking an 8hr seminar. That is why it is so important for us to become more educated. We are a very powerful group of professionals but we don't show it. Let's face it, if we were taken as serious as lets say the NRA think of the health care policy we could affect and change. We aren't because people throw out the notions above, stagnating us not only as professionals but as people.

"Do you think that because you have more education in THIS particular field you are better than someone else. You are soo wrong. "

I don't think I am better than anybody, I do believe I am more prepared to face society and makes changes in health policy.

"Besides most of you wont step foot into a nursing home because this is beneath you also, so tell me, who is going to take care of them. Get over it. All you are doing is making a living."

I didn't get into nursing for making a living because there are many other ways that are easier to earn money. I sense some anger and perhaps fear in your statements stemming from somewhere other than my meager posting. However, I am in nursing to help people, to makes changes in others life, as a sense of accomplishment at the end of a hard day. I have worked in nursing homes as a volunteer and will continue to do so as I see fit.

"because this is only for those who feel as though ADN, Diploma,and LPN's are beneath them. The Heavenly Father only knows what you think of CNA's. "

CNAs work very hard, as do all the others. However, it remains their choice to do the job that they do. They certainly work with the rest of us as team players in caring for the pt.

"And for your information. I am currently obtaining my BSN just because I want to not to attempt at putting others down."

I hope that you find what you are looking for. Your letter exhibits so much anger

and reads in so many things that I can only assume were left overs from your own experiences. However, if you truly believe you are a glorified "butt wiper" why ever would you spend the time and energy to get your BSN? I am glad for you but you statements are misleading and confusing. Good luck to you in your endeavors.[/QUO

Now you think you are a therapist. I have anger towards people who sit and cry about simle things. You write a post about something that gets people all bent out of shape on when it is discussed with friends and you think that people are going to sit and be happy with it because YOU write it, well you are wrong. We, as you know worked hard in nursing school to get where we are today and for someone of the same profession to come say that we are not good enough because we didn't graduate from a 4 year school is crazy. If you don't consider your self a professional keep to yourself. You should always think that about yourself no matter what you do. I have my opinons and that is what they are, just what I wrote. If you don't like it so what. I don't have to have any anger because the statements I made. YOU are a very funny person for saying that. If someone says something that you don't like or agree with they have a problem. Sounds like you have a little problem there sweetie. Maybe you need to further your education and become a Dr. before you try to go around and making assumptions about what a person has going on in their lives. You know what! I just figured it out! YOU don't have enough control over your life so you try to control others that what it is isn't it. Get a life sweetheart. And as a matter of fact our job is done by other professionals everyday if you want to believe it or not. Go into a hospital that uses a LPN to do a RN's job and all we have to do is there assessment and this pt. has TLC. Or maybe you should go into a home for the Mentally or Physically Disabled, and CNA's or home companions are passing meds and doing tx's. with a 4-hour course that they are taught. And what about this, all of the family members that take care of their loved ones at home and all of the critical thinking that they use when taking care of them. So that is just what we are "GLORIFIED BUTT WIPERS", that must scare you and make you angry, me personally I'm o.k. with it because I knew what I was getting my self into. I know I will have a job after all this is said and done, the shortage of nurses will go on and I will continue on in school because I want to like I said before.

Anyone who sees themselves as something other than a professional is the reason why we are not seen as professionals. You that is that classical conditioning and they did a good one on nurses. Go to a nurse who has been a nurse for 25-30 years and you all will understand why you feel the way you feel about yourself. It's called LOW SELF ESTEEM and you all are trying to live up to someone else's expectations. Just be the best nurse that you can be and care about your pts. everything will be alright. When I say you it isn't meant towards any particular person. BYEEEEE

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Is anyone else getting depressed about how we talk to eachother? I think the way the insults are flying on this board goes to show you that NOTHING will be able to unite all nurses. If we ALL had BSNs I am sure we would argue about which program prepared us more.

I do believe a nurse is a nurse because we all get the basic knowledge and specialization occurs after graduation anyways. And as for the number of years doctors go to school: find out what they studied too. A person can go to med school here after studying three years of anything along with about 4 or 5 prereqs. I know a doctor who took journalism so he only studied medicine for 3 years. But I NEVER hear other doctors putting him down. Infighting seems to be a nursing specialty nowadays and it's one area that sure doesn't require an advanced degree.

I got my BSN, but I don't think that makes me super nurse and I don't think it makes me a snobby ***** either. It was what was right for me and that's all that mattered.

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Is anyone else getting depressed about how we talk to eachother? I think the way the insults are flying on this board goes to show you that NOTHING will be able to unite all nurses. If we ALL had BSNs I am sure we would argue about which program prepared us more.

I do believe a nurse is a nurse because we all get the basic knowledge and specialization occurs after graduation anyways. And as for the number of years doctors go to school: find out what they studied too. A person can go to med school here after studying three years of anything along with about 4 or 5 prereqs. I know a doctor who took journalism so he only studied medicine for 3 years. But I NEVER hear other doctors putting him down. Infighting seems to be a nursing specialty nowadays and it's one area that sure doesn't require an advanced degree.

I got my BSN, but I don't think that makes me super nurse and I don't think it makes me a snobby ***** either. It was what was right for me and that's all that mattered.

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Originally posted by lambipie:

Give me a bucket!!! You supposedly professional people sound like a bunch of children whining about who's education is better than who's, and which nurse is better than the next. While education is very important to ANY "profession", it is not the degree that makes the nurse. I know many ADN and Diploma prepared nurses who can run circles around the BSNs and MSNs, and vice versa. What really matters is the product that we are able to put out.....QUALITY, COMPETENT, and HUMANE ptient care. I have a Master's degree. I do not consider myself any better than an LPN, ADN, or BSN. I got a master's degree because I wanted to specialize. Aside from that, I think it is what we choose to do with our educations that makes or breaks us. This hoorah that i have been reading on this bulletin board today only serves to prove that we will never truly be a profession, no matter what the degree, until we stop bickering and fighting about who is better than whom, and acting like a bunch of badgers out to eat their young. Act like professionals for pete's sake.

I am at home and an act anyway that I see fit. YOu people don't even realize what you say and what I said. I BASICALLY SAID , WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AND NOT SAY THAT A PARTICULAR GROUP HAS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. FURTHERMORE, THAT YOU ALL SOUND AS IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER (BSN,MSN NURSES) THAN OTHER NURSES. NOT THAT YOU ARE AND NOT THAT ALL OF THESE PARTICULAR NURSES FEEL THIS WAY. GOOD GRIEF

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Originally posted by lambipie:

Give me a bucket!!! You supposedly professional people sound like a bunch of children whining about who's education is better than who's, and which nurse is better than the next. While education is very important to ANY "profession", it is not the degree that makes the nurse. I know many ADN and Diploma prepared nurses who can run circles around the BSNs and MSNs, and vice versa. What really matters is the product that we are able to put out.....QUALITY, COMPETENT, and HUMANE ptient care. I have a Master's degree. I do not consider myself any better than an LPN, ADN, or BSN. I got a master's degree because I wanted to specialize. Aside from that, I think it is what we choose to do with our educations that makes or breaks us. This hoorah that i have been reading on this bulletin board today only serves to prove that we will never truly be a profession, no matter what the degree, until we stop bickering and fighting about who is better than whom, and acting like a bunch of badgers out to eat their young. Act like professionals for pete's sake.

I am at home and an act anyway that I see fit. YOu people don't even realize what you say and what I said. I BASICALLY SAID , WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AND NOT SAY THAT A PARTICULAR GROUP HAS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. FURTHERMORE, THAT YOU ALL SOUND AS IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER (BSN,MSN NURSES) THAN OTHER NURSES. NOT THAT YOU ARE AND NOT THAT ALL OF THESE PARTICULAR NURSES FEEL THIS WAY. GOOD GRIEF

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Reading your post was an exercise in futility. Take english COMP next semester. It'll help.

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Reading your post was an exercise in futility. Take english COMP next semester. It'll help.

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Since spreading strife is my greatest joy... I submit this idea: go to your favorite doctor, and ask him/her how many years they went to school. Ask them what kind of a degree they have. Then go to a few more doctors and ask them the same questions.

I think that the point of this discussion was making nursing a profession, by establishment of a minimal requirement for entry level into practice-not who has the better psychomotor skills.

Insofar as those who only view nurses as 'butt wipers' I think it's your own butt you should wipe, with your RN license.

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Since spreading strife is my greatest joy... I submit this idea: go to your favorite doctor, and ask him/her how many years they went to school. Ask them what kind of a degree they have. Then go to a few more doctors and ask them the same questions.

I think that the point of this discussion was making nursing a profession, by establishment of a minimal requirement for entry level into practice-not who has the better psychomotor skills.

Insofar as those who only view nurses as 'butt wipers' I think it's your own butt you should wipe, with your RN license.

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Now you think you are a therapist. I have anger towards people who sit and cry about simle things. You write a post about something that gets people all bent out of shape on when it is discussed with friends and you think that people are going to sit and be happy with it because YOU write it, well you are wrong. We, as you know worked hard in nursing school to get where we are today and for someone of the same profession to come say that we are not good enough because we didn't graduate from a 4 year school is crazy. If you don't consider your self a professional keep to yourself. You should always think that about yourself no matter what you do. I have my opinons and that is what they are, just what I wrote. If you don't like it so what. I don't have to have any anger because the statements I made. YOU are a very funny person for saying that. If someone says something that you don't like or agree with they have a problem. Sounds like you have a little problem there sweetie. Maybe you need to further your education and become a Dr. before you try to go around and making assumptions about what a person has going on in their lives. You know what! I just figured it out! YOU don't have enough control over your life so you try to control others that what it is isn't it. Get a life sweetheart. And as a matter of fact our job is done by other professionals everyday if you want to believe it or not. Go into a hospital that uses a LPN to do a RN's job and all we have to do is there assessment and this pt. has TLC. Or maybe you should go into a home for the Mentally or Physically Disabled, and CNA's or home companions are passing meds and doing tx's. with a 4-hour course that they are taught. And what about this, all of the family members that take care of their loved ones at home and all of the critical thinking that they use when taking care of them. So that is just what we are "GLORIFIED BUTT WIPERS", that must scare you and make you angry, me personally I'm o.k. with it because I knew what I was getting my self into. I know I will have a job after all this is said and done, the shortage of nurses will go on and I will continue on in school because I want to like I said before.

Anyone who sees themselves as something other than a professional is the reason why we are not seen as professionals. You that is that classical conditioning and they did a good one on nurses. Go to a nurse who has been a nurse for 25-30 years and you all will understand why you feel the way you feel about yourself. It's called LOW SELF ESTEEM and you all are trying to live up to someone else's expectations. Just be the best nurse that you can be and care about your pts. everything will be alright. When I say you it isn't meant towards any particular person. BYEEEEE[/b]

My original post was to generate conversation and empower nurses. I am not angry nor do I feel out of control. I felt a need to respond to your last posting believing maybe you may have misunderstood my intentions. I see that it is futile to converse with you at this time as you seem to have issues other than the issue of promoting nurses. I love nursing, both in management and at the bedside; I love going to school to further my knowledge base. I feel no need to defend myself with you futher, I wish you luck with your career.

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Now you think you are a therapist. I have anger towards people who sit and cry about simle things. You write a post about something that gets people all bent out of shape on when it is discussed with friends and you think that people are going to sit and be happy with it because YOU write it, well you are wrong. We, as you know worked hard in nursing school to get where we are today and for someone of the same profession to come say that we are not good enough because we didn't graduate from a 4 year school is crazy. If you don't consider your self a professional keep to yourself. You should always think that about yourself no matter what you do. I have my opinons and that is what they are, just what I wrote. If you don't like it so what. I don't have to have any anger because the statements I made. YOU are a very funny person for saying that. If someone says something that you don't like or agree with they have a problem. Sounds like you have a little problem there sweetie. Maybe you need to further your education and become a Dr. before you try to go around and making assumptions about what a person has going on in their lives. You know what! I just figured it out! YOU don't have enough control over your life so you try to control others that what it is isn't it. Get a life sweetheart. And as a matter of fact our job is done by other professionals everyday if you want to believe it or not. Go into a hospital that uses a LPN to do a RN's job and all we have to do is there assessment and this pt. has TLC. Or maybe you should go into a home for the Mentally or Physically Disabled, and CNA's or home companions are passing meds and doing tx's. with a 4-hour course that they are taught. And what about this, all of the family members that take care of their loved ones at home and all of the critical thinking that they use when taking care of them. So that is just what we are "GLORIFIED BUTT WIPERS", that must scare you and make you angry, me personally I'm o.k. with it because I knew what I was getting my self into. I know I will have a job after all this is said and done, the shortage of nurses will go on and I will continue on in school because I want to like I said before.

Anyone who sees themselves as something other than a professional is the reason why we are not seen as professionals. You that is that classical conditioning and they did a good one on nurses. Go to a nurse who has been a nurse for 25-30 years and you all will understand why you feel the way you feel about yourself. It's called LOW SELF ESTEEM and you all are trying to live up to someone else's expectations. Just be the best nurse that you can be and care about your pts. everything will be alright. When I say you it isn't meant towards any particular person. BYEEEEE[/b]

My original post was to generate conversation and empower nurses. I am not angry nor do I feel out of control. I felt a need to respond to your last posting believing maybe you may have misunderstood my intentions. I see that it is futile to converse with you at this time as you seem to have issues other than the issue of promoting nurses. I love nursing, both in management and at the bedside; I love going to school to further my knowledge base. I feel no need to defend myself with you futher, I wish you luck with your career.

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