Am I assessing today's nursing situation accurately?

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Maybe this is more for the career advice forum, but I have two questions for working or recently working nurses - who have been working as a clinical nurse sometime in the past 7 years or so.

My two specific questions are at the end of my post.

So, I'm a student in an ADN program, have a MPH degree and some years' work experience. I'm doing very well in nursing school - straight A's so far, don't find the material difficult, get along great with my peers and teachers, etc., etc.

But... I've found that I don't like patient care, and I hate clinicals. I like talking with patients well enough, but I just don't like performing constant procedures on strangers.

When I'm at a nurses' station during clinical, I look around me and just don't feel I would be happy as a nurse. And I certainly can't imagine being a nurse with a 5-12 patient load! Not to mention the constant charting. Seems like we have to chart every passing flatus, just to be prepared for that ever-possible courtroom case sometime years down the road.

And I'm also trying to honestly assess, with open eyes, the "real world" of nursing that lies in wait for me, should I graduate. And I find that... I dread that world. It seems full of stresses that only a super-human could manage and come home anywhere remotely "happy" or in a healthy state of mind.

I try to assess what I'm feeling during clinical, and then mentally extrapolate that to a real-world situation of 5-12 patients, and I really think I'd be downright miserable in that situation. The likelihood of committing an error just seems unacceptably high, too - even for the most well-organized, cheerful, and well-adjusted person (which I'm not saying I am).

So, in short, I love the nursing knowledge I'm gaining, I truly respect the profession of nursing and those who practice it, and think nurses need more respect for the knowledge and capabilities they have. But I'm not sure I like nursing, based on my experiences in school; and know I'd likely hate it 10x more after graduation, when I experience today's real-world working conditions.

My theory is that the nursing shortage largely resulted because the health care system cut nursing staffing a decade or so ago, started overly focusing on $$$$ due to managed care and spiraling health care costs - which, additionally, also ensured that only the most high-acuity patients were admitted - and thus made working conditions unworkable for nurses, and now.... so few people are willing to put up with the resulting nursing working conditions, that... voila! a nursing shortage.

And it seems as though "the system" is addressing the nursing shortage, esp in hospitals, by churning out new nurses every year or two who'll work for a year or two, then burn out, then get replaced by a new crop of just-graduated nurses who'll tolerate the job for a year or two, until they themselves also get burned out and themselves are replaced by yet another new crop. Etc., etc.

Thus... a constant cycling of new nurses into and out of the hospital since few people can tolerate the job very long... unless they really have to - because of money and making ends meet, because they desperately want to be in America - a very undsterstandable goal - this is a great country! - or because of other life situations.

Maybe I'm assuming things; but this is my theory of why there is a nursing "shortage". (Likely not a shortage at all - just a shortage of people willing anymore to use their RN in such self-punishment.)

I've tried talking to my nursing schoolmates about my worries, and it's like they haven't a clue about the nursing problems today.

And my teachers won't say anything substantive about the real world of nursing, except hinting at how we'll need to really optimize our "time management skills". I questioned one teacher who presented an example of a 4-to-1 patient-nurse ratio, and I asked, isn't it true that patient loads are really a lot higher than that now? And she said, "Well, yes, as a nurse, you'll all have to learn to hussle." And that was it. Other teachers make it seem as though we'll have oodles of time for patient education. Maybe they can't talk about it because we'll all run away.

Ten or twenty years ago, maybe nursing wasn't so bad. But it now seems, since somewhere in the 1990s, that nursing working conditions have deteriorated. Am I correct? It seems as though a typical hospital nurse's day (or night) would strain anyone's repertoire of "stress management techniques".

Maybe some nurses can take that glowy feeling they get when a patient says "thank you" or when they've positively impacted someone's health or medical condition, and use that to buoy up their spirits to face the next day, or to keep them from quitting. I sincerely applaud them for it, and for their stamina & good-heartedness.

But I don't know if I myself could take that as consolation for constant stress & worry over possible errors I may have committed when absolutely time-strapped.

I'm just trying to be honest with myself. I've had the intention to become a nurse for 15 or so years, and I'm exceling in my classes, but... I really think I'm ready to squash that dream, the more I see and learn about the profession and the pressures placed on it.

Anyway, all that said, would you:

1) Say that nursing is likely not for me, after hearing this (admittedly rather bellyaching...) description of my views?

2) Say that my assessment of the nursing situation as it exists today is accurate? (esp for hospital nursing)

Thanks for the ear...

In my opinion, your assessment of what you see in nursing is correct. However, there are actually some people that enjoy bedside nursing. As other people have stated, it may just be a matter of finding your niche. Just because you don't like med-surg does not mean that you won't enjoy a different area of nursing.

That being said, I have read a few of your other posts and I sense a lot of similarities between us. I also questioned the reality of nursing when I was in nursing school. At this point in my career, if I could go back and do it over, I would have switched my major and pursued something I enjoy. I am now planning on getting out of bedside nursing and pursuing an MPH.

Are you planning on using the RN to help you obtain an MPH job? As another poster pointed out, having a clinically-based degree can sometimes give you an advantage in public health. However, some of those positions may also require experience as an RN.

So, why exactly do you want to be an RN? Being honest with yourself about this may help you. If it is to get a better public health job, you have to evaluate if it is worth it to continue in the program. Nursing has taught me many valuable life lessons and one is that life is too short to be unhappy doing something you don't enjoy.

I like the idea of nursing and I have always been fascinated by the human body and health. However, I do not like direct patient care and I never did in nursing school. Non-clinical nursing positions really don't hold my interest that much. So that is why I want to return to school for an MPH. I really like the idea of working to influence the health of many people.

Just out of curiousity, what kind of positions have you held with your MPH?

Specializes in Gyn Onc, OB, L&D, HH/Hospice/Palliative.

1) You will probably be much happier utilizing your MPH- I would

2) The good ol' days are gone at least for the forseeable future, I see things only getting worse until the industry as a whole gets their heads out of their butts, hospitals prefer to lose money by continually recruiting and training rather than slightly increase staffing,RETAINING who they have thereby increasing pt (and nursing) satisfaction and SAFETY, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Like they say insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result :trout:

You are right on the money regarding the true reason for the nursing shortage!

The reason your student cohorts seem clueless are likely because they don't investigate things like you do. You already are probably older than a few of them with more education than the majority of them. You aren't content to just stick your head in the sand and wait for life to happen to you - you seek learning opportunities to help you make your life decisions.

Your teachers can't give it to you straight - if they did, the students would run screaming from the college and never look back and then the teachers would not have jobs!

From your posting - I doubt that you will be happy in bedside nursing. Unfortunately it can be difficult to get out of bedside nursing until you have some practical experience in it. If you think you can stand it long enough to get a year or two of experience, with your MPH you will have lots of opportunities after the initial bedside period. If you don't think that you can stand a year or two of clinical work - get out now and use your degree to get you somewhere else. Nursing is way to stressful to be miserable doing it. If you haven't done it already - start writing out your goals (even if they seem way out there or not attainable), write down the pros and cons of continuing in nursing school. I would definitely pray about the situation as well. Putting it on paper makes it easier to be specific and get a better handle on what you really want to do. Good luck!

Wow! I think you are seeing only a very narrow view of nursing. I have been in it for 23 years without regrets. First step is look at your relationships with patients. Nursing is truly a higher calling. It is about providing service to others. It is not about how grateful or thankful the patient is, but how grateful you are to be there for that patient. Once you get that worked out (if you want to be there for patients) then I think you worry about finding the right place to work with manageable ratios. There are places out there.

marie-francoise,

you sound like a very insightful thoughtful person. I believe you spoke a great many truths about nursing in your assessment. I would hate to see nursing loose such an intelligent and wise person as you. On the other hand you know yourself and what would and would not make you happy. Sadly I must say I agree with your assessment. Sadly I wish you well in what ever decision you make to drop your plans to be a nurse.

Too bad not everyone has the ability to self assess as well as you do.

Best wishes.

THANK YOU, all, for your responses! They are sincerely appreciated.

To answer your questions, I've typed up my replies, in Q&A style, below.

Anyway, thanks again.

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QUESTION: Do you want to be involved in policy, research, program planning, etc. (more macro-level type jobs) in the health industry? If so, with an MPH and an RN, you have an edge over others who only have an MPH. When you plan programs and think about budgets, you understand what it's like to be "in the trenches" and the people who are directly affected by the decisions you make will be grateful.

ANSWER: Very true. And regarding the related suggestion to go into political advocacy - yes, I'd be more interested in this than the bedside.

Political advocacy I think will be crucial because the system has to change at its roots - hospital administration is not going to change things. I think the feds will have to step in some day to improve the nursing situation.

I think a purely for-profit approach + patient care is a very bad mix. If the fed govt is going to function anywhere in society, it's to protect the health of citizens. The current $-based model is just dangerous for both patients and nurses. Maybe we have to face the fact that hospitals will have to close beds and stick to even a 3-patient ratio if patient acuity levels continue to increase, or even hold steady at their considerably high rates.

GrumpyRN63 stated it well in her post.

QUESTIONS:

(just curious) what type of employment did you have previous to going to nsg school?

Just out of curiousity, what kind of positions have you held with your MPH?

ANSWER: I worked for a government contractor on contracts with the NIH and HRSA, coordinating clinical researchers and writing papers on subjects from transplantation to clinical trials. So, it was a good job. I wanted to get out from behind the desk, though (and scheduling docs got me a little batty...). But maybe a desk job isn't so bad!

QUESTION: Instead of "performing constant procedures on strangers" how about "helping sick and weakened people get well, that need help" or something like that.

ANSWER: I know - I wish I could feel that way. Sometimes I see each patient as a potential lawsuit in this litigious day and age (isn't that awful?). I honestly like helping people; but maybe my hesitance with strangers is more related to the fact I'm a rookie/student, or maybe just my personality. If I were tending to my mother or family member, though, I'd have no problem.

QUESTION: Also why look at the nursing future with such fear? Fear of making an error, fear of not handling 5-12 patient assignments, etc.

ANSWER: I do look at the prospect of bedside nursing with fear - lots of it... The impossible workloads and stress that make it inevitable to commit errors at some point, the lack of support and respect from hospital admin, etc., etc., etc.

QUESTION: But, I have to ask, have you only been looking around you, and making broad-based judgements from the few floors you may have seen?

ANSWER: Not just the floors I've seen, but the advice I've gotten from other (ex) nurses, news reports, the Web (not just this forum - others tell the same tale). Even the number of ads for nursing jobs in the papers I think are signs that bedside nursing is becoming less tolerable. I know I should find out for myself - but I don't know... I trust the collective perceptions of so many others.

Also - I think I honestly have to face the fact that I just may not like direct patient care, even if the nursing situation were rosy.

QUESTION: What I mean is, have you looked into other specialties perhaps? have you considered going into infection control? You'd be a great candidate with a MPH & RN.

ANSWER: It seems as though a year of med-surg is expected/required of new RN's. I honestly don't know if I'd be willing or able to put up with even a year of med surg floor nursing. I may use my RN for the clinical knowledge it bestows, and for the added credibility I'd have if I do go into political advocacy for nurses.

QUESTION: Are you planning on using the RN to help you obtain an MPH job?

ANSWER: At this point, yes.

QUESTION: So, why exactly do you want to be an RN?

ANSWER: A job where I'm actively engaged, helping people, learning and putting to use clinical skills. But I don't want to be crazy & miserable doing it.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

ANSWER: A job where I’m actively engaged, helping people, learning and putting to use clinical skills.

ANSWER: I know - I wish I could feel that way. Sometimes I see each patient as a potential lawsuit in this litigious day and age (isn’t that awful?). I honestly like helping people; but maybe my hesitance with strangers is more related to the fact I’m a rookie/student, or maybe just my personality. If I were tending to my mother or family member, though, I’d have no problem.

You really can't have it both ways and be "hesitant to work with strangers" and "job where I’m actively engaged, helping people, learning and putting to use clinical skills" You're going to have to measure the good and the bad and see what outweighs each other and go from there. As I said before, most of us survive, conquer our fears, don't make fatal errors and don't get sued. Be mindful, be concerned, be diligent, even be afraid, but those fears aren't really a good reason to not become a nurse.

It's not worth being miserable either. Nursing school and that first year of nursing can be a time of extreme doubt. I doubted myself practically every day. I had some pretty miserable days and still do. I have a healthy fear of being sued and causing a fatal error, so I never let my guard down. It's a tough and stressful field.

You have to take the good with the bad in nursing. There's a lot a bad, and only the strong and comitted survive. But we all have our reasons for carrying on and most of us come to some sort of peace with it and aren't miserable constantly.

Good luck in whatever you do.

Thanks, Tweety. You raise good points, and this is good to know from a nurse, and reassuring. (I hope I don't seem too much like a downer sometimes!)

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Thanks, Tweety. You raise good points, and this is good to know from a nurse, and reassuring. (I hope I don't seem too much like a downer sometimes!)

You're not a downer. You're trying to realistically look at your situation. Sometimes though it's not always the picture you're looking at and you have to take another picture, which is why you were asking in the first place. I think that's really great.

There's a nursing shortage, the families have unrealistic expectations, patient to nurse ratios are very high, management has unrealist expectations. School sets you up with an ideal that you will never meet in the real work. You'll run across nurses that will eat their young, on and on and on................

It really isn't a pretty picture and you really have to want to be a nurse real bad to make it. There's no shame if that isn't you.

But there are those successes and moments that make it all worthwhile. That's another picture. That's the picture I have to see because I'm already in it and probably will be for life.

You're not a downer. You're trying to realistically look at your situation. Sometimes though it's not always the picture you're looking at and you have to take another picture, which is why you were asking in the first place. I think that's really great.

There's a nursing shortage, the families have unrealistic expectations, patient to nurse ratios are very high, management has unrealist expectations. School sets you up with an ideal that you will never meet in the real work. You'll run across nurses that will eat their young, on and on and on................

It really isn't a pretty picture and you really have to want to be a nurse real bad to make it. There's no shame if that isn't you.

But there are those successes and moments that make it all worthwhile. That's another picture. That's the picture I have to see because I'm already in it and probably will be for life.

You said it all for me!

Nursing school was something I did when I was a stay at home mom - and I had worked in businees before..... 1/2 through nursing school I realized I didn't really like it that much but I was an A student and did fine in clinicals. It's such a stressful profession - it does have it's "beautiful moments" but they are far outnumbered by difficult overworked,underpaid ones.

I know my job is important and valued but if I had to do it all over again I would have become a teacher (as my 2nd career) or used my business degree and found my niche in something else I enjoyed.

I definitely hate the politics of hospitals too - and I have experienced other occupations and still see nursing with 'fresh outsider eyes" = I know inefficency and disorganization when I see it and the way health care is today -somethings got to change and I hope that you use your MPH and possible RN to help change things.

Well it seems like a clinical nurse practitioner is what you may want to be.

I became a nurse because my mother expected me to. I knew nothing about it 30 years ago when I entered school. I would have been much happier as an attorney or accountant, or even anything involving being outdoors. I love being off during the week having the day to myself, but then there are lots of people who somehow manage to work from home and not worry about traffic jams or calling in sick...

Sorry, but I don't believe nursing is a "calling"...it's a job, plain and simple, get real. You go to work, you wipe butts, you manage the patient's care for 12 hours and collect a paycheck. Oh, and sit in on dumb committee meetings where God forbid anyone really try to solve something.

Run while you can and get the hell away before nursing sucks you in.

Specializes in Post Anesthesia.

I write a lot of long replys- this ones short. Yup- you're right on target.

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