Future Requirements for CRNA schools?

eph432girl · Oct 23, 2004

doctorate program in na - hmmmmmmm

as i sit here and ponder all the posts that i have read regarding the rivalry between the mdas and crnas (not all mdas.. just the condescending, egocentric ones .. who want to keep the crnas in their place) --- or the a$a verses the aana.... i am wondering how the mdas (and other drs) would react to having to address us as "dr." instead of "nurse". personally, i like the idea. i might apply to a program that offers a phd if it is effect when i start na school.

ROBDANURSE · Oct 23, 2004

doctorate program in na - hmmmmmmm
as i sit here and ponder all the posts that i have read regarding the rivalry between the mdas and crnas (not all mdas.. just the condescending, egocentric ones .. who want to keep the crnas in their place) --- or the a$a verses the aana.... i am wondering how the mdas (and other drs) would react to having to address us as "dr." instead of "nurse". personally, i like the idea. i might apply to a program that offers a phd if it is effect when i start na school.

we recently discussed this possibility at my nurse anesthesia progam. imho, while the creation of a phd position does foster more desperately needed research in the field of nurse anesthesia, i cannot forsee this being a popular option (possible requirement) to become a crna. na school has been the most time consuming, mentally challenging endeavor i have undertaken. its only been two months. i truly believe that making a phd necessary to become a crna will dissuade many qualified individuals from pursuing a career in nurse anesthesia. most grads are already $100k in debt, want to have a life again, and need income. the phd, imho, will create an even larger void in the number of available practitioners.

charles-thor · Oct 23, 2004

The completion of a dissertation and the ability to receive a professorship are two stark differences between a clinical doctorate and a PhD. If the requirements are in fact changed, it will take years for it to become the entry level degree to enter the profession. It is my understanding that two programs will begin to offer a clinical doctorate in the next year or two, with several others to follow, however I'm not sure where.

sonessrna · Oct 23, 2004

The completion of a dissertation and the ability to receive a professorship are two stark differences between a clinical doctorate and a PhD. If the requirements are in fact changed, it will take years for it to become the entry level degree to enter the profession. It is my understanding that two programs will begin to offer a clinical doctorate in the next year or two, with several others to follow, however I'm not sure where.

I'm wondering which programs are going live with the clnical doctorate programs? I attend the University of Iowa and we are developing this program and it will probably go live within the next two years. I know Rush is working on a similar program and COlumbia is as well. Other programs pursuing the same degree? Just wondering. I think this is a fabulous idea for CRNAS. How will our profession be respected as an important part of the healthcare team if we don't even have a similar education to the physicians?

deepz · Oct 24, 2004

.....How will our profession be respected as an important part of the healthcare team if we don't even have a similar education to the physicians?

Before I go off ....

Is this REALLY what you intended to say?

deepz

rn29306 · Oct 24, 2004

Sweet Moses, please shut this down before studentdoctor.com floods this site.......

DreamMatrix · Oct 24, 2004

First off...as a practicing CRNA, we will never have the respect from our MDA colleagues that we want. From many of our surgeon colleagues we have tons of respect and often more than our MDA's have from the surgeons (something about really working for a living). The profession is pushing toward having a doctorate as an entry level, but it will be a long time in the making. It took 20-25 years to get to the Masters level. There will be much opposition to it from many CRNA's as well as MDA's.

Oh by the way don't worry about the student doctor groups..., they feel threatened and it is a natural reaction. Just smile and go your own way, feeling secure in where YOU are at! :rolleyes:

rn29306 · Oct 24, 2004

First off...as a practicing CRNA, we will never have the respect from our MDA colleagues that we want. From many of our surgeon colleagues we have tons of respect and often more than our MDA's have from the surgeons (something about really working for a living). The profession is pushing toward having a doctorate as an entry level, but it will be a long time in the making. It took 20-25 years to get to the Masters level. There will be much opposition to it from many CRNA's as well as MDA's.
Oh by the way don't worry about the student doctor groups..., they feel threatened and it is a natural reaction. Just smile and go your own way, feeling secure in where YOU are at!

It was meant as sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek as there are persons who are members of of both online forums. It was in reference to a poster on SD named hudsontc who said the same thing when the topic of CNRAs was brought up. Here is the link to the site in reference and perhaps some insight on Tenesma's opinion of CNRAs also.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=154674&page=1

DreamMatrix · Oct 24, 2004

OK, well that was an interesting thread over there. Like I said, just smile, and let them think what they want...they need to do that, they can't help help themselves. Bless their hearts!

djCRNA · Oct 24, 2004

Are there CRNA training programs in Canada?

EmeraldNYL, BSN, RN · Oct 24, 2004

I just wonder, how will this new requirement affect the length of time required to become a CRNA? I assume that doctorate level programs would be longer and more expensive, making it more difficult for some people to obtain this goal. In addition, will master's prepared CRNAs be "grandfathered" in or will they be required to go back to school to obtain a doctorate? How will this affect patients? It's confusing enough already to patients with so many different levels of education-- a patient could have two "doctors" doing their anesthesia, but one is a CRNA and one is an MD or DO. Wow..... this thread gives me lots to chew on.......

jewelcutt · Oct 24, 2004

It's really funny that this post was brought up. Just this past week our dean of nursing stopped by the hospital to get our opinions on offering a PhD sort of degree for six months more of classes after graduating. She said that with all of our credits we are very close to Phd degrees. But she didn't make mention of clinical doctorate degrees. It makes total sense to me, pharmacists have two years of pre-reqs and five years of pharm school to get a PharmD. I think the idea of a clinical doctorate in anesthesia is great, especially with all the hard work we put in. However, I'm not interested in getting a PhD or really doing any more schooling. Our dean was mentioning about creating six month specialty (peds, CV) programs that could be taken on a part time basis. Do you think that this option will be offered first and then required later?