Forced Bath's is this taking away a patients rights?

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OrganizedChaos, LVN

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Why are you even on this forum? Did you join just to bash a CNA after your one experience?

That's what *I* want to know. She should be on a patient forum, not a nursing forum if she wants to bash healthcare professionals.

macawake, MSN

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Again, this thread was started in 2010 by a poster who wished to discuss how CNAs at his/her place of work were "encouraged" to give patients baths against the patients' wishes, or risk facing disciplinary action/write-up.

You on the other hand seem to want to discuss dignity and modesty from a patient's perspective.

I have many medical professionals in my family. They want to put their patients at ease not humiliate them.

I think that's true for most healthcare professionals.

We should not be told we ar going to do something that w feel is not right. Patient modesty.

We need more male caregivers so that our men can have the dignity that they deserve.

Put men to do male catheterization and female for women if they request.

Every once in a while a brand new member comes along and wants to discuss male urinary catheterizations done by female healthcare staff. It's always the same procedure. I honestly think it would be monumentally refreshing if someone would show up with a bee in their bonnet regarding female healthcare staff performing ear irrigations on male patients.

Listen, I actually find the topic of patient dignity and autonomy important. It's something we talk about regularly at work, both informally amongst ourselves and at ethics seminars courtesy of our employer. We also occasionally do surveys, usually nurse-driven research, regarding how patients felt they were treated during their hospitalization.

The above is enough for me. I guess I find anonymous posts on a forum made by someone whose motivations are unknown to me harder to assimilate.

So yes it's an important topic, and it's a topic that encompasses so much more than a single procedure. Perhaps though, this isn't the best venue to meet your needs? I think that most AN members come here to learn from other healthcare professionals and also to relax and blow off steam.

One last thought. I don't understand your fixation on the CNA's level of education and the individual CNA's plans to further her/his education or not, in relationship to the modesty topic. Why would you even ask a CNA if they do plan to continue studying to be a nurse. A question like that is in my opinion designed to make a person feel inadequate if they're either content with where they're at job-wise or if they would want to, but can't afford the cost of studying.

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Lets just stop the feeding. This isn't real.

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The word lazy was used because the said CNA told us when asked if she was going on to school said (no I am to lazy to go further. I don't want to study). How does this make a patient feel. In our private areas we should have a same sex person available if we need help. If a spouse or loved one is there they should be asked if they would like to take care of the needs. My husband and I felt humiliated by the treatment and her escorting him into shower. He would not undress with her in there and she came out and said okay if he needs help you can go in. We are older peopl.e. If we ned help we help each other. Ask what we feel comfortable with. Don't just say you are going to bath us. Don't tll a patient it is okay for you to do private area care when you are only trained off the street. Beauticians and car mechanics in our state have more training than a CNA or Ma that our medical establishment has give full reign to see and touch our bodies. I feel and a lot of others are like me. We need to say what happens to our bodies and who can and will be present in a state of undress. Are ther a lot of good CNAs or MAs out there. Yes but should they be trained off the street? NO

Keep in mind, a hospital employee can't simply ask a family member to do their work for them. The facility and employees could be held liable if he were to slip and fall in the shower, having asked you to go in their stead. Or what if YOU fell in the shower and broke a hip?

Secondly, if she was simply content as a CNA and had no desire to go back to school...what is wrong with that? Being a CNA is honorable, honest work. It's not like she was too lazy to work, therefore chose a life of bank robbing.

Thirdly, "trained off the street??" therefore, unqualified to perform hygiene care? 1) it isn't nearly as technical as a mechanic or hairdresser's job is, so of course it can be taught quickly, and 2) CNAs are trained through tech schools or healthcare facilities -- not the street. Many posters here are CNAs, and many others are former CNAs. Myself included; my course was taught by an RN through a vo-tech. We had lectures and clinicals at local nursing homes where we practiced our skills under our instructor-RN's watchful eye. And I was pretty darned good at my job, with never a hint of impropriety.

Of course had a gentleman refuse hygiene care from me I would have respected that -- and would continue to respect that. But don't go accusing hardworking people of impropriety simply for doing their jobs.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN

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Don't tll a patient it is okay for you to do private area care when you are only trained off the street. Beauticians and car mechanics in our state have more training than a CNA or Ma that our medical establishment has give full reign to see and touch our bodies. I feel and a lot of others are like me. We need to say what happens to our bodies and who can and will be present in a state of undress. Are ther a lot of good CNAs or MAs out there. Yes but should they be trained off the street? NO

What the heck do you mean by this?!

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