Forced Bath's is this taking away a patients rights?

[Health-Nut]

I am woking this evening and we just had a CNA leave. She's saying she is very upset with how she's told to just go into a patients room and start bathing them while they are sleep and that it is her job to MAKE a patient let her give them a sponge bath, basically noone can really refuse a bath. She was called some horrible names by a pt, because she just went into his room and said it's time to get cleaned up, he refused because he was watching the game and wanted to wait until tomorrow but she said he had to anyway. Our management does make the CNA's do this and if they don't give baths they're written up. I am very surprised isn't that taking away patients rights.

[Here.I.Stand, BSN, RN]

The word lazy was used because the said CNA told us when asked if she was going on to school said (no I am to lazy to go further. I don't want to study). How does this make a patient feel. In our private areas we should have a same sex person available if we need help. If a spouse or loved one is there they should be asked if they would like to take care of the needs. My husband and I felt humiliated by the treatment and her escorting him into shower. He would not undress with her in there and she came out and said okay if he needs help you can go in. We are older peopl.e. If we ned help we help each other. Ask what we feel comfortable with. Don't just say you are going to bath us. Don't tll a patient it is okay for you to do private area care when you are only trained off the street. Beauticians and car mechanics in our state have more training than a CNA or Ma that our medical establishment has give full reign to see and touch our bodies. I feel and a lot of others are like me. We need to say what happens to our bodies and who can and will be present in a state of undress. Are ther a lot of good CNAs or MAs out there. Yes but should they be trained off the street? NO

Keep in mind, a hospital employee can't simply ask a family member to do their work for them. The facility and employees could be held liable if he were to slip and fall in the shower, having asked you to go in their stead. Or what if YOU fell in the shower and broke a hip?

Secondly, if she was simply content as a CNA and had no desire to go back to school...what is wrong with that? Being a CNA is honorable, honest work. It's not like she was too lazy to work, therefore chose a life of bank robbing.

Thirdly, "trained off the street??" therefore, unqualified to perform hygiene care? 1) it isn't nearly as technical as a mechanic or hairdresser's job is, so of course it can be taught quickly, and 2) CNAs are trained through tech schools or healthcare facilities -- not the street. Many posters here are CNAs, and many others are former CNAs. Myself included; my course was taught by an RN through a vo-tech. We had lectures and clinicals at local nursing homes where we practiced our skills under our instructor-RN's watchful eye. And I was pretty darned good at my job, with never a hint of impropriety.

Of course had a gentleman refuse hygiene care from me I would have respected that -- and would continue to respect that. But don't go accusing hardworking people of impropriety simply for doing their jobs.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

Don't tll a patient it is okay for you to do private area care when you are only trained off the street. Beauticians and car mechanics in our state have more training than a CNA or Ma that our medical establishment has give full reign to see and touch our bodies. I feel and a lot of others are like me. We need to say what happens to our bodies and who can and will be present in a state of undress. Are ther a lot of good CNAs or MAs out there. Yes but should they be trained off the street? NO

What the heck do you mean by this?!