Fluid volume deficit??

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I'm trying to figure out what my second diagnosis for this patient should be. Based on the information I gathered and assessment data I think that fluid volume deficit should be used. But not sure because of what my ND book says. So this is the same patient from my previous post, the one with pleural effusions. Now I'm trying to address the low BP issue. Her BP's were as low as 92/49 and HR up to 115 at times. She reported lightheadedness, dizziness, but no other symptoms. She actually looked much better than she had the day before and other than having trouble taking a deep breath she was fine. But her H&H was 8.4 & 25. Also RBCs were 2.88. This data is what made me think fluid volume deficit. She had several surgical procedures on 8/28 (gastrectomy-removal of mass, spleenectomy, total abd hysterectomy, partial choly, and hiatal hernia repair). She was admitted on 9/10 due to pain on inspiration, SOB, and worsening cough. This is when they discovered abd fluid collection and the pleural effusion (multiple loculated). The cause of the pleural effusion was unknown, but they did a thoracentesis (exudate). Then on the 16th she had a thoracotomy and afterwards a chest tube was placed for drainage. She had about 300ml of drainage all together, serosanguinous, but it was serous when I left and had slowed way down. Her respiration's were shallow, crackles in LLL, but O2 99 and RR 16-20. ABGs were normal.

She has CKD stage 3, but it is well controlled and she has no complications from that at all. At least not that I witnessed. She also has osteoarthritis, RA, HTN, a history of anemia, and vitamin D deficiency.

She had an order for lotrel, but the amlodipine was held and benazepril given. Other meds that she got while I cared for her were flonase, patanol, and claritin.

Do you guys think that I'm wrong about fluid volume deficit rt blood loss? I'm just trying to figure out why her BP was low and how critical this is. Her RN wasn't too concerned. And the patient was acting like she was fine. She actually looked better than she had the day before. I just thought that it was important to make interventions to ensure that it doesn't drop any more. But I'm not sure if blood loss is even the cause. I know the meds are affecting it, but then there's the decreased H&H and RBC.

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It's long but very informative. Each patient and their individual situation is evluated separately.....boold is a valuable commodity and has it's own inherent risks. They don't transfuse as much as they used to.......for the record....I feel this patient would benefit from a transfusion.

I'm betting this unfortunate woman had mets in her pleura and that's where the pleural effusion comes from, and in her peritoneal space, and that's where the ascites comes from. Too many bricks falling off this wagon...[/quote']

Definitely thought of this too when reading posts. A few thoughts and please correct me if im wrong.

SOB is from pleural effusions. Sounds like your patient had a Decortication when you described a scrapping procedure. Its removal of the outer layer of lung and often used with cancerous cells before they enter lungs. Also can be done for restrictive or fibrinous tissue. This is why the had a Thoracotomy.

O.P. stated.CKD was not an active issue at this point, so I would probably not even bases priorities on it.

You also mentioned low Calcium.

What is the patients Albumin? If it is low, you have to do a Calcium correction formula. Google that if you need to see how its done. Its different formulas for men, women, children

Thoughts on low bp/increased HR-

Definitely a combo issue of blood loss from Thorc, Anesthesia, pain meds, and blood pressure meds.

I wonder what her WBCs were?

Abscesses in abdomen could be causing a bacteremia which could also contribut to BP.

I would not have called the MD in the middle of the night or anything for that blood pressure, but if the HR was sustaining Sinus tach like that I would. Definitely if it was an Arrythmia.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. All of you have been very helpful in helping me understand this patient better

"CKD not an active issue"? So her kidneys are no longer diseased? There are no renal effects: BUN and creatinine and creat clearance are all normal?

Hint: I'll bet they're not normal, and I don't see any evidence to the contrary other than a somewhat at-sea student saying so. :)

The albumin is low, betcha a million bucks, because it's all leaching out into her peritoneum and pleural space with the effusions. Low BP also from hypovolemia, third-spacing all that fluid into those spaces so it's not available in her vascular space to make BP with. Also, if she is losing all that protein, she's going to be losing fluid into her tissues because her oncotic pressure will be decreased.

Too many bricks, too many bricks ...

Well I just finished GI lecture and man do I wish we had went over this last week. It definitely explained a lot and could have saved me a lot of time. But I'm just happy I can understand most of wht was going on with this patient. Also pretty devastated for her. Thanks again for all the opinions.

"CKD not an active issue"? So her kidneys are no longer diseased? There are no renal effects: BUN and creatinine and creat clearance are all normal?

Hint: I'll bet they're not normal, and I don't see any evidence to the contrary other than a somewhat at-sea student saying so. :)

The albumin is low, betcha a million bucks, because it's all leaching out into her peritoneum and pleural space with the effusions. Low BP also from hypovolemia, third-spacing all that fluid into those spaces so it's not available in her vascular space to make BP with. Also, if she is losing all that protein, she's going to be losing fluid into her tissues because her oncotic pressure will be decreased.

Too many bricks, too many bricks ...

Im not saying that her CKD isnt something to keep an eye on, im saying that it isnt her priority problems unless her UOP has decreased. Typically, in the hospital, our patients have several secondary diagnosis like CKD, DM, COPD, CAD etc..but its not what they are there for so although we assess head to toe keeping those secondaries in mind, we base plans of care on what the patient is currently needing and going through.

Thats all I was saying in this scenario, it is not of highest priority.

Im not saying that her CKD isnt something to keep an eye on im saying that it isnt her priority problems unless her UOP has decreased. Typically, in the hospital, our patients have several secondary diagnosis like CKD, DM, COPD, CAD etc..but its not what they are there for so although we assess head to toe keeping those secondaries in mind, we base plans of care on what the patient is currently needing and going through. Thats all I was saying in this scenario, it is not of highest priority.[/quote']

This is also what my instructor was saying. But since her current problems could affect kidney function I included it in my POC.

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