Oh my goodness what school is not being investigated. This is crazy I don't understand why these schools just won't do right.
Thank you so much?
Please read this:
The Commission licenses private educational institutions in Florida and based these actions on the fact that individuals referenced in the Department of Justice press release on **Operation Nightingale were affiliated with these institutions
I'm having that problem right now, I have pass my neclex exam since July 2022 and Maryland Board of Nursing is not accepting capscare academy, so I don't know what to do, please can anyone advise
hat is my feeling as we have seen some obstructionists' on this particular subject. and these posters only post on this topic.
Call me an obstructionist. I have been posting on these non ACEN accredited schools for years. I have read responses such as "I can teach myself"
I received rebuttals that an RN license was worth so much more than the learning. Coursework had to crammed into a myriad of other full time responsibilities into the shortest period of time,
"I have to go to this strip mall school so that I can work, take care of my husband and 15 children while going to school fulltime. "
I mentioned look at NCLEX pass scores, was there an HESI final exam, do a deep dive into the school.
Truly I am incredibly sorry for all that has transpired. I hope 'Operation Nightingale" can separated the good graduates from the fakes.
Hello Friends and Nurses! I want to share a few things with you, especially for those that want truthful and accurate information, provided with responsibility, and backed up by the Board's Nursing Statutes(easily accessible at the Board's page www.FloridasNursing.org)
1. A School is NOT placed on Probation. It's a program which is placed on Probationary status by the Florida Board of Nursing, because in ONE calendar year their grads NCLEX passing rate (on the first test attempt), decreased below 10 points from the national level/rate. A probationary status is a time frame provided by the Board to assist the program implement improvement measures that help the program's grads pass on their first attempt. (More nursing reviews before the end of the program, more stringent, academic measures, etc).
Such endeavors are not a one-sided project, they require the cooperation of students and teachers alike and, in many cases it takes implementing stringent measures of performance in order to attain the increasing of the rates.
2. A Program placed on Probationary status DOES NOT prevent a graduate from sitting for the NCLEX Exam and successfully obtaining a Nursing License in the State of Florida.
3. Many of the schools that close their doors after their program is placed on probation is because they solely depended on government funding, and therefore having over 90% of their income from the government compromised, they decide to not continue operating. What's the other side of the coin? Deciding to go to a private institution that assists you in financing your program without depending on financial aid. (Student loans will hunt you for the rest of your life and cannot "go away" with bankruptcy).
4. One for the first things you should do BEFORE enrolling in ANY SCHOOL is:
- Personally meet with a Program director or assigned official that answers all your questions.
- Check a school's approval and programs with the Commission of Education and the Board of Nursing. (If you don't see a program listed on their license approval, you won't be able to graduate from that program or, better said: The programs listed under the Dpmt or Education/Commission of Education site is what the school can offer you and, the type of degree you will obtain if you complete the program you chose). Here is the Commission of Education web where you can check a school approval/license BEFORE enrolling: https://www.fldoe.org/policy/cie/
- Follow your instinct. If it sounds too good to be true, it is probably too good to be true. No nursing degree is achieved super easily. This type of program is for highly committed people that sacrifice a lot of time in order to study and do well in their classes.
5. Many schools and universities in Miami-Dade, County, and Broward County have, or have had their nursing program on probationary status and that does not mean the school will disappear or it is a bad school. That's why you have to do your due diligence and not believe everything people put on the Internet, but personally interview with several schools before you decide to enter in a college program such as Nursing.
Nursing is a beautiful and noble profession that requires tremendous effort and passion, and it is not to be taken lightly.
If you really want to be a nurse, pursue your dreams and goals with the help of an institution and program that sees you beyond your pocket, because that's the same way you will look at your future patients.
I am just curious, does A.H.I's program have the gold standard ACEN accreditation? A program being approved by the board of nursing means very little as evidenced by the total embarrassment allowed by the Florida Board of Nursing. Accreditation tells prospective students and employers that an institution has a standardized curriculum and proven educational process. Other legitimate institutions also require accredited programs for transferring credits.. In light of what has transpired in Florida, many employers in the future will not chance hiring grads that attended programs without it.
Great question Carmen! Accreditation through ACEN or other agencies is a voluntary process that schools can go through after having been established and operational for at least 2 years.
All AHI Graduates of the Nursing program are eligible to apply for and take the NCLEX test and become licensed nurses because the student has graduated successfully from a licensed program that is under the purview of the FLBON, and because the program was given a Program number directly from the National Council of States Boards of Nursing (NCSBON).
Therefore, accreditation does not prevent a graduate from attaining licensure.
We certainly miss the days where State DOE licensure for a school was highly respected and was more than enough. Obtaining licensure for an educational institution, is not an easy process, nor should ever be undermined.
So far, most of our graduates of the nursing program have been accepted to do their BSN or Masters in many other universities and it has not been an issue. The universities verify the graduate's completion and, verify the institution's credentials with their respective government agencies. We also have established articulation agreements with local universities that give our grads great options to continue their education.
Accreditation does not guarantee credit transferability because as per the federal and state department of education; "transferability/acceptance of credits depend on the receiving institution" and, "the institution reserves the right of admissions". (You will find these statements clearly stated on almost each educational institution's catalog, and enrollment documents).
But allow me to elaborate on the subject of "accreditation”:
In order for a school to apply to ACEN's accreditation (which is programmatic and just for Nursing education), the school has to have attained another type of accreditation prior and for 2 years, (institutional). (AHI is currently in the process of institutional accreditation to then be able to apply to ACEN).
This tends to be a lengthy process and very costly because the school has to pay even for the accommodations of the agencies visitors, very often most them come from other states, and the visits take several days. (The school pays for hotels, food, lunch, snacks, plus the application fees and mandatory seminars that typically cost over $900 per school official).
In order to apply for this voluntary accreditation the school must have been licensed by their State's DOE and the Program must be operating for at least 2 years, but it may operating successfully for many years under their State Agencies, hence why is a "voluntary process".
This "voluntary accreditation process" which now has become or will become practically obligatory due to the current education climate, does not guarantee students success in any way, but it does add a layer of supervision on the institution which is always a good thing.
Finally, most schools that apply to go through the "voluntary accreditation" do it because once accreditation is achieved, they may apply for Title IV Funding (so to be able to receive government grants and student loans). Then we are talking about a whole new ball game, and typically higher tuition rate for students. (Unfortunately).
I will share something else with you, and this has nothing to do with your question but it does have to do with the sad education climate we are currently experiencing:
At least 3 of the institutions involved in the diplomas scam were "accredited". How sad that they not only damaged the reputation of our sector but completely undermined the value of something so hard to attain such as the seal of accreditation!
Today a state like New York is still trying to prosecute hundreds of their residents that bought those diplomas and don't want to rescind their fraudulently obtained licenses.
Sadly, most Florida schools accredited or not are and will be affected by the aftermath of the disrespect, selfishness and fraud perpetrated by those schools and fake students.
We certainly miss the days where State DOE licensure for a school was highly respected and was more than enough.
REALLY? No control or comparison across the US? We did have different cut-off standards for states (Illinois allowed some to pass with a lower score ...Wisconsin had a higher cut off ). But movement across states was hard if you went to a state with a higher state cut-off.
A.H.I Staff said:
n order for a school to apply to ACEN's accreditation (which is programmatic and just for Nursing education), the school has to have attained another type of accreditation prior and for 2 years, (institutional).
I think an accreditation process that does a deep dive on the school's finances is obligatory and necessary and SHOULD be required. ACEN guarantees this and costs it. Costs should not be passed onto the students. It is an actual guarantee the course of study is legitimate. If a school is not interested in investing in it's curriculum, NCLEX pass rates and STUDENTS why would anyone go there? If anything, accreditation by ACEN will cost the school LESS in advertising and student recruitment as students flock to their door.
I gotta ask the OP....Are you A.H.I.? Active health institute? I can't find your NCLEX results?
A.H.I Staff said:
At least 3 of the institutions involved in the diplomas scam were "accredited".
Crappy accreditation that meant NOTHING.
Carmen Delores said:
I am just curious, does A.H.I's program have the gold standard ACEN accreditation? A program being approved by the board of nursing means very little as evidenced by the total embarrassment allowed by the Florida Board of Nursing.
A.H.I Staff said:
Great question Carmen! Accreditation through ACEN or other agencies is a voluntary process that schools can go through after having been established and operational for at least 2 years.
Great Question Carmen! but the school representative did not answer it:
1. The school rep posting DID NOT answer your question.
2. The school has not been established and operational for at least 2 years.
NurseChantal
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Please read this:
The Commission licenses private educational institutions in Florida and based these actions on the fact that individuals referenced in the Department of Justice press release on **Operation Nightingale were affiliated with these institutions