First Peth test after being placed on probation

Universe93B · Jul 28

SheelaDavis said:

Research for yourself, and YES, perfume applied I. Heavy amounts to the skin absolutely can raise ETG above cutoff levels, as can vanilla extract. As for research, I will give you a hint. Search outside of the US in the country that makes Toyota. They did extensive fairly powerful research on ethanol based hand sanitizer and certain perfumes with high alcohol content and tested ETG in urine and blood 2-3 hours later. Certain perfumes directly on the skin in moderate size amounts absolutely CAN trigger ETG,. So, why does this not happen more across the country? Because the duration is short...ie...2, 3, max of 4 hours, then the sheer volume is well below threshold. It's exactly why I wear perfume everyday, but if selected to test that day, I hold off until After I test. This is all I've said regarding perfumes. I wear it daily and wear quite a bit of it. But, to say it's absolutely no concern at all is not accurate.

"Nobody is bathing themselves in a bathtub full of perfume."<-----your words, also known as Hyperbole. Hyperbole is a form of Fallacy. Stay abstract and in formal operations, not concrete. You went concrete.

After you went Hyperbole or concrete, you came back to reality and went back to formal operations with a '"couple of sprays," which is Correct. I agree with this, and do it myself and have kind of been clear on that.

I use perfume daily in fairly large amounts. Love rum base pure vanilla extract cake icing and eat them at least 3 times per week, but if selected to test that day, I hold off on a cupcake and perfume that morning. This is all I'm saying.

I don't find any such study, confirming false positive urine etg after perfume use. I've seen some on hair etg, but that was people using products for 3 years and applied directly to hair.

Good - you don't like hyperbole. Then if I said a couple of sprays of perfume daily won't trigger a false positive ETG test, then what's the problem? Continue about your day normally and stop listening to these crazy "don't do this and don't do that" on this forum. People are stressed out already as it is and people on here are telling people what not to eat and what not to do in their daily hygiene.

Bottom line - not enough alcohol is absorbed from your skin and then on top if that, into the bloodstream to raise your BAC and then in turn, cause the liver to produce ETG. Use common sense when deciding whether or not to use something and use your clinical knowledge on how the body works.

SheelaDavis · Jul 29

Universe93B said:

I don't find any such study, confirming false positive urine etg after perfume use. I've seen some on hair etg, but that was people using products for 3 years and applied directly to hair.

Good - you don't like hyperbole. Then if I said a couple of sprays of perfume daily won't trigger a false positive ETG test, then what's the problem? Continue about your day normally and stop listening to these crazy "don't do this and don't do that" on this forum. People are stressed out already as it is and people on here are telling people what not to eat and what not to do in their daily hygiene.

Bottom line - not enough alcohol is absorbed from your skin and then on top if that, into the bloodstream to raise your BAC and then in turn, cause the liver to produce ETG. Use common sense when deciding whether or not to use something and use your clinical knowledge on how the body works.

Bottom Line. You are wrong. You made a statement that basically stated, "all you have to do is not drink alcohol and you are fine" That statement is false. It is MOSTLY true, but because it's not completely true, it's false, especially as it relates to careers. You do not know what you are talking about related to absorption, literature reviews, etc, and it's pointless arguing eith a narcissist. Especially one that doesn't know what they are talking about.

Universe93B · Jul 29

SheelaDavis said:

Bottom Line. You are wrong. You made a statement that basically stated, "all you have to do is not drink alcohol and you are fine" That statement is false. It is MOSTLY true, but because it's not completely true, it's false, especially as it relates to careers. You do not know what you are talking about related to absorption, literature reviews, etc, and it's pointless arguing eith a narcissist. Especially one that doesn't know what they are talking about.

Bottom Line. You are fear-mongering and need to stop. If you do not DRINK alcohol, you will get through monitoring just fine. There is no such study about perfume and it causing urine ETG. It seems like you have no idea how ETG is produced and the pharmokinetics of different substances.

You go ahead and fear-monger though. And I will do my best to let people know that they don't have to lead a miserable 1-5 years of monitoring life.

SheelaDavis · Jul 29

Universe93B said:

Bottom Line. You are fear-mongering and need to stop. If you do not DRINK alcohol, you will get through monitoring just fine. There is no such study about perfume and it causing urine ETG. It seems like you have no idea how ETG is produced and the pharmokinetics of different substances.

You go ahead and fear-monger though. And I will do my best to let people know that they don't have to lead a miserable 1-5 years of monitoring life.

Bottom line is....you are a narcissist and when narcissists step up on the forum to get their narcissist ego fix with false info, thats where people like me step in. Spread false info, and you will get challenged. Always. That's the cure for narcissism, so in advance.....you are welcome.