does a ballot cast in private or a card signed in public better reveal a worker's true preference about whether to join a union? a private vote is the obvious answer, but organized labor has nonetheless made the misleadingly named employee free choice act (efca, h.r. 800) its highest legislative priority.
recently, unions have switched the focus of their organizing operations from private balloting to publicly signed cards. these so-called card-check campaigns make it much easier for unions to organize workers, but most companies strongly resist the idea of denying their employees a vote. unions now want the government to take away workers' right to vote and certify unions after only a card-check campaign. the employee free choice act would do this and more.
I have never said that nurses are too weak to stand up to union intimidation. I'm just saying that it exists for nurses who are being targeted for unionization.
I have never said that nurses are too weak to stand up to union intimidation. I'm just saying that it exists for nurses who are being targeted for unionization.
But you do argue that nurses are strong enough to stand upto management individually , whilsts harping on about union organisers intimidation , which ( if they are indeed being intimidated ) obviously draws the conclusion they are too weak to resist , so your arguement is illogical .
Logically your arguement breaks down to either the Nurses are strong enough to both resist management and unions , or too weak to resist both .
You also are still ignoring the intimidation of nurses I've mentioned eg . Winkler county nurses , group 1 and those described by other TX nurses on threads upon this forum.Maybe because they are a little inconveient to your cause ?.
I know its not a perfect system! Winkler county nurses are being handled by the District Attorney(as mentioned before)..do the unions have control over the criminal justice system? You're not that powerful! Group one(as described before) is a stand alone entity attached to the FCRA that union also doesn't have any power over either. I have addressed this before but maybe not to your satisfaction. There's no inconvenience here because I know that the Texas system isn't perfect, is yours??
As far as the argument over intimidation is concerned, you are making conclusions for me. I have never said they(RNs) are too weak to resist union intimidation, but I do feel that the opposition nurses in an organizing campaign should be able to present their side to their peers without all of the legal BS that unions throw on them. I have read post after post about how the unions use gag orders for management to keep them from talking and informing their nurses, neutrality agreements that inhibit nurses from using hospital facilities for educating their coworkers, agrrements that give the unions total access to your personal info, and etc. It seems as thought the onluy inconveniences come from the unions themselves.....
I know its not a perfect system! Winkler county nurses are being handled by the District Attorney(as mentioned before)..do the unions have control over the criminal justice system? You're not that powerful! Group one(as described before) is a stand alone entity attached to the FCRA that union also doesn't have any power over either. I have addressed this before but maybe not to your satisfaction. There's no inconvenience here because I know that the Texas system isn't perfect, is yours??
As far as the argument over intimidation is concerned, you are making conclusions for me. I have never said they(RNs) are too weak to resist union intimidation, but I do feel that the opposition nurses in an organizing campaign should be able to present their side to their peers without all of the legal BS that unions throw on them. I have read post after post about how the unions use gag orders for management to keep them from talking and informing their nurses, neutrality agreements that inhibit nurses from using hospital facilities for educating their coworkers, agrrements that give the unions total access to your personal info, and etc. It seems as thought the onluy inconveniences come from the unions themselves.....
I am not asking YOU to change the system , I simply offer Winkler county and Group 1 as examples of what happens to nurses in TX when they get out of line , against your offer of all is rosy for me and the rest of TX nurses , so we don't need unions disrupting our harmony .
as far as the argument over intimidation is concerned, you are making conclusions for me no , simply drawing logical conclusions from what you have written. i have never said they(rns) are too weak to resist union intimidation, but i do feel that the opposition nurses in an organizing campaign should be able to present their side to their peers without all of the legal bs the unions have to work within the framework of the same legal bs , you describe even inthe case of a neutrality agreement that unions throw on them. i have read post after post about how the unions use gag orders for management to keep them from talking and informing their nurses, neutrality agreements that inhibit nurses from using hospital facilities for educating their coworkers, agrrements that give the unions total access to your personal info, and etc. it seems as thought the onluy inconveniences come from the unions themselves those agreements are made between the employers and the unions , the employers take an active part in there formulation , there are limits upon both sides , so use your individual strenght to have your employer change the agreement.....
no system is perfect but we all have to work within the legal framework , when trying to unionize / oppose unionization of a facility .
You are exactly right, we don't need the unions' help. The agreements I have read about here and other sites are solely for the unions' benefit. It's absolutley ridiculous that nurses at some facilities being organized can't even have a room to use or a table in the cafeteria to use in educating their fellow nurses about the union! Why would the unions oppose something like this? It would seem that an organization that empowers nurses wouldn't oppose this? Why would the union ask for a gag order against nurses educating each other about the union? Why is it right for an institution, at the behest of the union, release nurse's personal info? None of this is right but the unions crow on and on about how they are being infringed upon during organizing campaigns and file numerous ULPs against the hospitals that aren't on bended knee for them like they are some kind of savior. These things happen becuase the unions want to silence the resistance in order to shift the balance to their side.
you are exactly right, we is this the royal we ?don't need the unions' help. the agreements i have read about here and other sites are solely for the unions' benefit no they actually benefit both sides ( the employer amongst other things can control the organizers access and activities , ulp's work both ways. it's absolutley ridiculous that nurses at some facilities being organized can't even have a room to use or a table in the cafeteria to use in educating their fellow nurses about the union!* why would the unions oppose something like this? it would seem that an organization that empowers nurses wouldn't oppose this? why would the union ask for a gag order against nurses educating each other about the union? why is it right for an institution, at the behest of the union, release nurse's personal info? none of this is right but the unions crow on and on about how they are being infringed upon during organizing campaigns and file numerous ulps against the hospitals that aren't on bended knee for them like they are some kind of savior. these things happen becuase the unions want to silence the resistance in order to shift the balance to their side.no ,as in all campaigns ,if you have a tool to help you and at the same time hinders your opponent , you use it to its fullest limit
* the problem here is identifying who is a genuine grass roots opposition group and who is either astroturf or actual managment supported opponents ( nb.picupnp i have not and will not , unless evidence to the contrary appears , accuse you of being anything other than a genuine , stand alone [ pita :-) ] opponent of unionization ) .
management likes neutrality agreements because they maintain some control over the organizing drive , unions use them as they allow visible access to a facility .although i can understand your not being happy with them , while they serve a legal purpose for management and unions i think they will continue to be used .
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I have never said that nurses are too weak to stand up to union intimidation. I'm just saying that it exists for nurses who are being targeted for unionization.