ER Nurse is Being a JERK to EMS...

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One of our ER nurses has been just UGLY to all of our EMS people over the past couple weeks. No matter what EMS brings in and no matter what EMS does she finds fault with it. She is refusing to answer questions when calling the service for an interfacility transport, "I want a paramedic to transport a patient and that is all you need to know!," she'll say. She's also told paramedics who have offered to assist with getting IVs started, inserting foleys, EKGs, that those procedures require a REGISTERED NURSE, not an ambulance driver who got their license out of a mail order catalog, has ripped out IVs started by EMS, removes C-spine precautions, refuses to take report, and the list goes on and on. There is already tension between the EMS people and the ER staff as it is...don't know why, just one of those long standing things.

So what's is your opinion? As a member of the ambulance service and the ER staff, I am caught in the middle a lot. When I am on duty in the ER, this nurse is my supervisor and if she tells me to pluck out the IV, I am expected to do it. When I am on duty with the ambulance service, I am MAD when I am told I am too stupid to do a procedure that I do on a regular basis and is makes me really mad to have my judgement questioned by someone who thinks we shouldn't have c-spined a patient who had MOI.

The ER supervisor and the ambulance service supervisor (who just happen to be best friends) are aware of the situation and they just keep telling everyone, "Well, that's just how she is...don't let her get to you." Fine, great answer, but it sure makes for a lot of tension and makes people not want to show up in the ER when this nurse is on...

How about an EMS APPRECIATION WEEK !!!! Since you are on both sides, EMS and "in-house," you might facilitate a big "DO" with food and pictures and posters, honoring the hard work of the EMS team. The purpose of this would be multi-faceted, but specifically, it will flush out nurse ugly to 'speak her mind' and eventually do so in the presence of the wrong person. Pictures of EMT's and nurses together, smiles, etc will just add fuel to her personal fire. Of course, she's sounding pretty fired up as it is. Let's flush her out. Given enough rope, she will, one day. hang herself.

And yes, in spite of my name, I can be a stinker!!!

AngelGirl

Originally posted by JohnnyGage

There was a cartoon I saw once in an EMS magazine -- I wish I had copied it.

There was an old guy sitting in a rocking chair with grandkids around him. Over the fireplace was a human head with a stethescope around its neck. The caption read...

"Tell it again, grandpa! What happened when the doctor called you an 'ambulance driver'?"

Hahahahahahahaha >snort!

I LOVE THAT ONE! We used to have it hanging on the wall in our ambulance garage.

I agree with many here, document it all and nail her when you have enough proof. And she is most definitely compromising her license if she's removing c-collars before c-spine is cleared!

I've been running EMS for 7 years and am a nursing student. I worked with a nurse who had a real attitude problem toward us, and disparage us in front of patients. She was finally fired for other reasons. I found out later--she had tried to run on an ambulance and couldn't get hired. So she went back and got her R.N. Thus her bitterness.

Anyway, I hope you get this nurse away from patients because she can't be a good care provider to anyone with those attitudes.

The whole 2nd shift nursing shift gives us hell, big-time. We brought in a code and one of the Transport crews opened the doors for us, and they used the manual button so it stayed open. They got so mad at us(and we didn't even do it, different agency and all) that we got an email about it. The best is when they didn't even attempt to assist us to work a code. We brought in a unstable pt to them because it was a little bit closer and they got mad at us because they thought that we would have been smart enough to take it to the big-time trauma center. One of the ER Doctors in the hospital DOES not sign EMS papers at all, and after about the 3rd write up he would just put a check mark- instead of his name. But I don't fret, they are basically a bandaid hospital and about 40% of our transports go to them.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

Old thread ... but this absolutely would not be tolerated where I work.

Removing c-collars before MD exam and/or imaging?? You may as well light a match to your nursing license.

The old saying, "...walk a mile in the other person's shoes", well, it's so true! I spent 30 years in EMS..rose to the top. I spent 17 years on a life flight helicopter as a flight medic. The top of the EMS food chain. I like most EMS had a view of nurses. The nurses I worked with directly were different, because they were also in EMS. I thought nurses spent most of the time charting, talking on the phone...and picking on EMS for entertainment.

Having just finished nursing school, I realize what nurses have to go through to get where they are, and the level of dedication to be successful. I'm grateful I had the eye opening eexperience of learning their world!:bow: I have never worked harder than I have as a nurse!!!

Unfortunately, few nurses have the opportunity, or desire to try our little corner of the world on for size. I'm sure if they look at EMS in a objective way, they would realize why we do what we do. Sure there's some bad, lazy practitioners out there giving EMS a bad name, but all-in-all, they are knowlegable, skilled men and women doing a tough job for little pay.

The bottom line, Nurses and EMTs/medics are all professionals in their own right!!

Specializes in ER,ICU,L+D,OR.
Well . . as an EMS worker myself, (I'm also on the medical team for my volunteer fire departmet, averaging about 3 calls a month) I am VERY PEEVED with the words "ambulance driver" EMT's and Paramedics do much more than that! That nurse needs to quit! now! Yeah, EMT's and paramedics don't have nearly as much schooling as RN's, but the courses are still hard (I've taken the EMT B class). That nurse needs not to treat anyone like that! I would be so p'd off if I asked a nurse what our situation was and the answer I get is " I need a paramedic and thats all you need to know"

Rude people shoudnt even be allowed to work in a hospital.

I think you ID is very sweet. How many tattoos do you have.

Specializes in ER,ICU,L+D,OR.

I enjoy meeting all the EMS people coming into my ER. Ive found them all very nice and pleasant. Some of them are very cute also. I am never mean to them.

Specializes in ER, Occupational.

Well, I am personally happy to see that so many of you are outraged at this. I was (and still am) a Paramedic while I was going through nursing school. I can't count the number of times I was called an "ambulance driver" or talked down to...I tried to tell myself that it was just because these people had not been educated as to the scope of practice that Paramedics practice. But, it was still frustrating. I remember one day, an RN thought she needed to describe to me what "gross hematuria" was. HAHA! I was an ER tech while I was finishing nursing school, and at the same time was working as a Paramedic. I would hear all these derogatory remarks made by nursing staff, and, strangely enough, other nurses rarely stood up for us. In fact, I can remember several times when ER docs would step into a conversation to defend EMS. I confess, I still have a little bit of a chip on my shoulder about all this, even though I have been an ER RN for almost 2 years now! You can bet, I'm one RN who will step up and say something when I feel EMS is being mistreated or disrespected! So, thanks to all those who realize that we aren't just "ambulance drivers!"

Specializes in Emergency Dept, ICU.

Yeah I would deff bust her a$$. That ****** me off it's like when floors hate on us because we admit patients to them, like it's our fault they have to be admitted. Like it's EMS' fault the patients want to be brought there.

We get along really well with our EMS and employ many in our ED. They are not allowed to assess or pass meds or anything but work more in the tech arena, and transport stepdown unit patients when the RN is unable to. They start IVs whereas the techs aren't allowed. I'm not certain what their pay is compared to the techs....all of them still run on crews too. Our hospital has a paramedic teaching program too.

Specializes in ED, EMS.

I used to be an EMT. Just graduated from RN school. I have the up most respect for all EMS professionals. We dont get the respect of fellow healthcare employee's. I loved working as a EMT but the pay was not much better than minimum wage. So again say thanks to your local EMS crews. Many of them appreciate it its a demanding job that doesnt get much respect. Be safe out there!:up:

Specializes in ER, telemetry.

I can't believe she acts like that! Is she mentally stable?

I love all the EMTs that come through my ER. And to pull out IVs or take off C-spine precautions? Seems just crazy to me.

Hope she never needs one of the EMTs to save her A$$ one day.

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