EEK! There's a woman in my room!

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Since the "man in my room" thread got closed, I thought I would try a different track. I want to focus on something a little different. :idea:

We know the emotional responses we got to the idea of men providing intimate care of women. What I want to discuss is the issues affecting the intimate care of men by women.

If any of you have read my prior posts on this subject, you are aware of my own difficulties with opposite sex care. To recap, my own experience involved a sexually abusive situation. I am male, and when I was in the hospital as a teenager, the female nurse decided that I needed a bed bath. So that is what she proceeded to do. And much to my embarrassment, I got an erection during said bath. I wasn't aroused, it just happened. As any guy can tell you, we just don't have direct control over that function. This nurse decided she had the "cure" and proceeded to strike me in the scrotum. A lot of damage was done, physically and emotionally. One testicle healed in way that would not allow me to father children (antibodies). I'm skipping over a lot of detail in the interest of brevity, but that's what happened. :imbar

I have heard over the years many comments as to a female nurse's reaction to the male erection. A number of times I have heard reference to causing a pain stimulus to stop the erection from occurring. The stimulus usually involved striking the genitalia with an object or by using the middle finger to "thump" or "flick" either the member or a testicle. I have heard several members of the military tell me this was done to them when they were hospitalized while in service, sometimes while recovering from combat wounds. In my situation, it could be that this nurse didn't get the desired result from just using the middle finger, so she resorted to something more forceful. :eek:

My questions to you all is this. How widespread is this? How many of you learned to do that in school? Maybe learned it after school? Have any of you ever done it to your male patients? Ever hear other nurses talk about it?

I'm not trolling and I'm not joking. It happened to me and others that I know of. It would be nice to get enough information together to come up with an article for a major nursing publication. That would bring the issue to the forefront and maybe launch an initiative to stop this brutal practice. Men treated this way could easily be your father, husband, son, brother, other family member, significant other, best friend, neighbor, or coworker.

One other thing. Given the overwhelming presence of women in nursing, male patients are often expected to just accept intimate care from women nurses without complaint. Often times there may be no other choice. But other times there are. It appears to me that female nurses (and other medical staff) have such unlimited access to male patients that they practically take it for granted. Many of the rules in place defining or limiting what male providers can do to female patients often don't apply to females in the care of men. I realize it varies among different facilities, and I have read on this forum that there are some men doing intimate procedures on female patients. However, I suspect the majority of facilities do put some kind of limit on what the men can do. Gender bias results when members of one sex are held to rules that the other sex is exempt from. The outcome of the bias is an imbalance where it is difficult for the female providers to effectively empathize with the male patients. That results the females taking an almost lackadaisical, casual, or blase' view of the modesty and privacy needs of male patients. For me it has been an uphill battle many times when receiving care just to get them to close doors or curtains, or provide draping. It's not the men I have this problem with, it's mostly women. To me treating a patient with respect and privacy specifically means covering my exposed body for comfort. To deprive me of that is to deny their obligations. I want female medical personnel to value my privacy as much as they value their own.

Having gone through infertility treatments with my wife and have stood next to her as she received care and I have noticed that privacy is never an issue. During breast exams only one side was exposed at a time. I have endured several exams where I was instructed to strip down to just underwear and wait for the doc. When the doc enters the room there is a moment where anybody outside can see past the doc. When the doc gets to the genital exam you have to lower the shorts to midthigh so you are essentially naked, and then have to bend over the table for the digital. I know men who have had this done by female docs. Absolutely cruel. At least I have only had male docs for this. I have had my share of ER visits over the years, GSW, plane crash, fire/smoke injuries, etc. Every time I have had to battle for my privacy/dignity/decency. When you are hurt that's the last thing you should have to worry about.

Any other men here experience this? Your thoughts on this ladies?

I have nothing against women. I find myself in agreement with many women here when it comes to personal care. Please don't think I'm on a tirade. If we can get some constructive dialog going maybe we can learn and do better for others.

Let's keep it nice so the mods don't close the thread. :wink2:

Awesome news 58flyer! Congratulation!

Specializes in Cardiac.

I cried tears of joy when I first heard this from you. What a wonderful holiday this will be for your family!

Ladies, where in the world does this lunicy and mis-information come from? For your information Men, Males, Boys, all of us are just as modest if not more modest than our counterparts!!!!! I have a rule of thumb, if you would not want you or your daughter to be viewed or exposed to a member of the opposite sex-then don't do it to us!!! JUst because we shower or urinate together in the rest room does not mean we want to be on public display!!! I find it interesting that a female nurse or Doctor could care less if males have any modesty issues at all and are staunchly opposed to any suggestion that we change the way things are, but let a female patient complain, or request privacy and the staff can't move fast enough. There is a double standard and it needs to end!!!!

You are so right on your comments. I am to have an operation this week and asked about having a male do the prep work on me (it is urological)-- I got a run around and will have to ask on the operation day...A woman would have NO problem with this......

Yes, there is a double standard in regard to same gender preference on nursing care...

BUBBABUBBA

Specializes in home health, dialysis, others.

First of all, congrats on your wonderful news.

Second, I have never heard of inflicting pain deliberately in such a horrible manner. I am a nurse for 35 years. And respect and privacy are for everyone.

When I was in nursing school in the early 70's, male patients in most areas were cathed by male nurses or orderlies (remember them?). Except on the neuro floor, where there were usually some pts who needed q6hr straight caths. This was our only chance to learn how to cath men.

In my most recent years, I have been a home health nurse, and have cathed many, many patients, both sexes. Fewer choices for the patient as to caregivers, so we try to tell the pt as best we can that we will try to accommodate their preferences, but may not always be able to.

I, too, have had more than a few male patients that asked for special services - can you apply some lotion 'down there'? I think I have a sore on my privates, can you look?

Also, I worked in dialysis for a long time. Some men spent the better part of their time with their hands under a blanket touching themselves. Are they not aware that we can tell what they are doing?

Yes, all patients deserve respect and privacy. Doesn't the staff deserve the same?

bubbabubba, I would not wait -it is just a runaround If whoever you are talking to says this again, go to their supervisors and keep going up the ladder. Their best ploy is to tell you at the last minute there are no male nurses available. I have been through this and I am telling you the truth. They think once they are there you will relent. You may have to reschedule when there is a male nurse available-you have to be persistent-they hate requests from us like this. They think were like cars-seen one seen them all-well it is easy for them to assume that since they are the ones clothed and were the ones not. It just kills me.

I would like to take the rare opportunity to help in understanding patient vs. nurses confusion. This post is for all in due respect:

First: Thanks to the nurses who posted that although they had never thought of the issue, it would help them consider it in the future.

Second: We need to consider that all people use modesty in all forms of daily life, and do not expose randomly, especially to complete strangers. The difficult thing for some patients is that they do not view people in

medical careers as different from most other strangers. One might make exceptions for same gender exposure in situations such as swimming showers, dressing rooms, public restrooms, and necessary proceedures. Opposite gender exposure is reserved for spouses and s/o's. Would nurses use showers where both genders are exposed? Restrooms? Would female nurses want their husbands to expose themselves to me, and random female strangers? Would anyone here be comfortable with random exposure to the opposite gender?

Medical people to some patients are just that....strangers. Just regular men and women that have no special entitlements or priviledges to our bodies. In short, you are just like any other man to a woman or any other woman to a man. If you look at these feelings in this way, it is easy to understand why patients have a hard time understanding why nurses believe they are an exception to exposure rules, and/or never considered patients not wanting opposite gender exposure. The problem is usually, everyone gets upset at each other before we have an earnest opportunity to discuss these things.

Interesting topic.

Hi Advo-kate2:

That was really well written and I think you hit the nail on the head.

I might also add , for a lot of people ,it is their first experience in a hospital setting like this.

Traumatising does not actually convey the full impact a lot of pt's experience.. A lot of males are so dumbfunded at the calloused disregard of their privacy that we really do not know what to do!!!! ( its is actually pretty easy to notice: our feeble attempt at small talk, inappropriate jokes or flertation, etc)But I can assure you of one thing, they won't be back ,regardles of how serious a conditin can be. It is why we males, just won't go to the doctor, as silly as you may think that is.

So when your DAd, Brother, Boyfriend, Husband or son just won't get that check up or address something causing them discomfort ,you know why. It is one of those things we just won't contend with or talk about.

I don't see how dialog on this subject is going to be helpful actually, the female nurses in general refuse to acknowledge or address the issue. It is considered childish and stupid. Something more needs to happen, perhaps a class in PT emotional care would help or some litigation, ( worst possible scenero) may adress this. BUt adresss it we must, it is the only reational thing to do.:)

Specializes in I have watched actors portray nurses.

OMG! I can not believe such a "flicking" or "thumping" practice was ever considered remotely appropriate. And, If I'm not mistaken from one of the subsequent posts, it wasn't that long ago that the practice was joked about in a particular modern-day nursing class. What does that actually mean? Is it possible there are some medical professionals out there today practicing under the following assumptions:

1) Male penile erections are always voluntary?

2) It is okay to knowingly cause pain by assaulting a patient's genitals?

3) If you suspect the erection was voluntary, it is then appropriate to assault the patient?

Please tell me that nurses are directly and explicity taught, as part of the nursing school curriculum now days, that this is not an option of "treatment." This reminds me of the old practice of putting leaches on a sick patient to "draw out the sickness."

Seriously though, after reading about this man's ordeal how are we to feel about leaving our sons in hospitals overnight? Is it possible some nurses/medical professionals could actually think this is okay in this "modern" age? From all the responses it appears everyone is clearly shocked by this. That's the good news. However, a few nurses posted that they had heard of it, known it was taught in some places in the past and fairly recently even joked about in one class. I hope the jokster finished her lecture with "Serously though... you shouldn't do that to your patients"

I am sorry to hear what you went through. That was totally inappropriate and I would like to know if you have taken any kind of actions against that nurse who caused you to have both physical and emotional trauma??

Here, here. Unbelievably cruel & uncalled for.

I really can't get over that, esp. with the complications & grief it has caused you.

I certainly hope the woman didn't get away with it.

I didn't get to read the entire thread to see how that turned out, but I did see the news on page 12, and congratulations to the OP. I'm sorry it's been such a struggle. Much love to you & your new family. :redpinkhe That's wonderful.

CaDad:

Absolutely valid points. However, I believe dialog is not only helpful here but moreover, crucial. We need to find a way to get caregivers and potential patients talking. Too many people are avoiding care for reasons that could be easily mitigated. So......... How can patients and caregivers work with each other to respectfully accomplish expectations?

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