No Prior Existing Conditions but Dead Anyway - page 20
Who would think that a normally healthy woman would die so swiftly from influenza in June? Could you ever have imagined such a thing? No wonder her family and friends are in shock. So why did... Read More
Jan 7, '10Occupation: returned nurse Joined: Nov '98; Posts: 7,097; Likes: 5,234Quote from indigo girlThis proves that the disease is much more dangerous than the vaccine. I wish I could email this to my daughter in law who refuses to get my grand daughter vaccinated(H1N1, KID HAS ALL OTHER VACCINES). My daughter has had both of her kids vaccinated as soon as the vaccine became avaliable.San Diego County, California
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Jan 7, '10Joined: Aug '04; Posts: 4,352; Likes: 7,618We just had another 2 "healthy" people deaths in the last week here...........
Jan 7, '10Specialty: OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 2,340; Likes: 2,045Quote from oramarYou're right, Oramar that the vaccine hasn't had lethal effects or even sequellae a minute fraction near that of having H1N1. It seems the lethal component regarding all vaccines, is that people grab on to myths and past errors to avoid them.This proves that the disease is much more dangerous than the vaccine. I wish I could email this to my daughter in law who refuses to get my grand daughter vaccinated(H1N1, KID HAS ALL OTHER VACCINES). My daughter has had both of her kids vaccinated as soon as the vaccine became avaliable.
I believe that we need to combat injection phobia, big time! (It may be that your daughter-in-law could be one of those poor people with excessive inexplainable fears in regard to that). Using EMLA patches on injection sites an hour before administering anything (especially IV procedures) has been known to greatly reduce that syndrome, for the past 30 years. I attended a seminar at Stanford that long ago, when the huge audience of health providers there was told to avoid causing pain in pediatrics, due to its long range results (possibly illustrated by your daughter-in-law).
The only rational alternative to having the vaccine, is to stay home, alone - which brings to mind yet another phobia. It also conjures a picture of your son wearing a N95 mask (fitted properly, of course) when he is in their home. There's also the image of your appropriately vaccinated daughter and her kids, looking judgmentally at her sister-in-law....... Aren't family dynamics fun?
Someone needs to intervene, and that person shouldn't be you or your son or his sister. Providing that the child's health care provider is a good communicator who frequently holds private discussions with parents when a problem comes up, your son could request that the doctor discuss the root of the problem with his wife. I assume he isn't opposed to having the vaccine himself, having you as a parent. It's very important that "right" and "wrong" labels are left out of any discussion. Facts alone have all the weight needed.
"Of the 62 deaths related to the H1N1 virus, 55 were county residents, and the remainder were visitors." a quote from the article to which you referred us in the San Diego, CA newspaper further accents the fact that airplane travelors haven't statistical relevance in acquiring H1N1 (unless the virus causing most of the deaths there could be traced to someone close to the patient having been on an airplane within a week before spreading the disease.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the 7 remaining victims of H1N1 were from south of the close border to San Diego..... It would have been great if the article mentioned that all 62 losses hadn't had the vaccine...... We need to educate journalists for more implicit reporting, in a socially acceptable format. Hmmmmmmm.....Last edit by lamazeteacher on Jan 7, '10 : Reason: clarity, spacing
Jan 8, '10Occupation: visiting nurse Specialty: Too many to list ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '06; Posts: 5,909; Likes: 1,741Liberal, Kansas
"...The CDC has reported that 46 percent of people admitted to the hospital for H1N1 complications have no prior medical problems..."
I was not aware that the percetage was that high for those with no prior existing conditions.
Quote from www.hutchnews.com(hat tip pfi/pixie)The father of four was a healthy man before coming down with bronchitis in early December.
"He had a bad cold and was coughing the week before," his wife said. He was initially diagnosed with bronchitis, which then turned into pneumonia. However, instead of improving he kept getting sicker, and by Dec. 7, when he returned to the doctor, his oxygen level was gravely low. He was transported by ambulance to Liberal's Southwest Medical Center. That was the last time he was able to speak with his wife.
Immediately placed on a respirator, he was flown to Wichita's Wesley Medical Center. While a tissue sample taken by a bronchial scope tested positive for H1N1, Jamie Howell said Larry's cause of death was adult respiratory distress syndrome.
Jan 15, '10Occupation: visiting nurse Specialty: Too many to list ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '06; Posts: 5,909; Likes: 1,741Reading, Pennsylvania
The pandemic has been very expensive for the victims and their families even when the patient survives. Story after story points to the extraordinary cost of being so severly ill.
Quote from www.kypost.com(hat tip pfi/monotreme)In a relatively short amount of time, the H1N1 virus had taken its toll on an otherwise healthy man, leaving him just a breath away from death.
"Told me that I wasn't going to survive the night. My kidneys were shutting down, my blood pressure was dropping like a rock, somehow I survived, I don't know how", said Irwin.
Pat was a patient in the Intensive Care Unit for over two months and was transferred to the Drake Center on Christmas Eve. There, he began another part of his recovery.
"My muscles are a shell of what they used to be", Pat said.
With bills mounting and the possibility of losing his home, he continues his rehab with one goal in mind.
Jan 19, '10Occupation: visiting nurse Specialty: Too many to list ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '06; Posts: 5,909; Likes: 1,741Crosby, Minnesota
Again, financial devastation as well as physical deterioration even when a formerly strong,
and healthy adult male survives a severe case of swine flu, the family is left to contend with
wondering how they will make ends meet, and if the victim will ever be the same.
Quote from wcco.com(hat tip pfi/MnEagle)At the end of October, Tom Johnston was a healthy 40-year-old who came down with the H1N1 flu. A few days later, he started throwing up and his nose and lips turned blue. He'd come down with pneumonia and was admitted to the hospital because a virus had started attacking his kidneys and brain.
Two months ago, Tom Johnston financially supported the family while Tammi Johnston stayed home with the children. He took care of the finances and the bills. Now, Tammi Johnston can't even ask him what goes where. Everything in their house reminds her of him.
Tammi Johnston says she often asks, "why him?" Doctors say they don't know why a young, healthy guy got so sick.
Jan 19, '10Joined: Aug '04; Posts: 4,352; Likes: 7,618How awful for them. And to think that they cannot seem to give the vaccine away here. I am glad I had it and that my husband did also.
Jan 19, '10Quote from CrunchRNNo one wants to get a vaccine that they don't think is needed any longer, I would guess, but we don't even know if this is totally over yet here in North America. It certainly is not in other parts of the globe. We are still in our official flu season as well, and there have been no outbreaks of seasonal flu which makes me very uneasy. Nature abhors a vaccuum, and it is suspected that swine flu will replace the seasonal Type A strains to become a regular seasonal flu. We are watching also as mutations occur. They are happening of course, but what they might mean as far as what the virus will be capable of, just is not known yet. Tamiflu resistance, and/or increased virulence, reassortment or recombination with other flu viruses and their characteristics are all possibilities.How awful for them. And to think that they cannot seem to give the vaccine away here. I am glad I had it and that my husband did also.
Anyone with any health complication is still at risk for a severe event if this flu flairs
up again. But, these randomly impacted healthy people are what continue to be a mystery. It is exactly why parents and their kids should get vaccinated. Who wants
to lose a child or the parents to something that is now preventable just because they didn't bother to be vaccinated or didn't believe that it could happen to them? It is
just so unwise to gamble. The financial cost alone is hugh. Why put your family at
risk? Even if the victim survives, they and their families face financial ruin. It is simply unbelieveable that influenza can do this, but it can.
Maybe we get lucky, and it disappears. What are the chances of that happening? Not so good if you think about all of the susceptible hosts still remaining to be infected here. Of course, viruses don't think, they just infect whoever they can. What happens after that depends on how much virus the host has received, the particular strain and any mutations that it might have picked up, the immune system of the host, how quickly and effectively the medical system treats the patient if it is a severe case, and kismet/grace or whatever you believe in.
Jan 19, '10Madison County, Iowa
Quote from www.whotv.com(hat tip pfi/KimTT)A Madison County woman went from being healthy one minute to lying in a hospital bed in critical condition the next. After a nearly two month battle, 22-year-old Krista Hamilton died from complications from the H1N1 flu.
"She had been ill all that week with a cold and a fever. Then that Friday the 13th is when they took her to Mercy," says mom Susan Hamilton. Krista spent about a week in critical condition in Des Moines before doctors transferred her to Iowa City. Her parents never gave up hope or left her side for nearly two months. "She was getting better and they were giving us hope," says Hamilton. Krista suffered a brain hemorrhage and died on January 8th. "It just wasn't meant to be I guess," says her mother. "Didn't get her off the heart lung bypass and wasn't meant to be."
Krista leaves behind a four-month-old son, Jaxson. Her parents say the baby will grow up without his mother, but not his mother's love. "She was gonna be back with him and she wanted to be his mother so badly. She tried ."
Kent County, Michigan
Quote from www.wwmt.com(hat tip pfi/monotreme)Tuesday saw fresh evidence that the H1N1 virus is still a threat in West Michigan.
The Kent County Health Department says a woman in her 60s is the fifth person in Kent County to die from complications from the H1N1 virus.
Health officials say the woman did not have an underlying health condition.
Jan 20, '10Specialty: OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 2,340; Likes: 2,045Regarding post #255, regarding the death of a young new mother:
I wonder if whatever is causing perinatal women to react more severely to H1N1, had a role in this incidence (although the 4th trimester had ended.....).
Jan 20, '10Dallas County, Texas
I am noticing more deaths in older people now worldwide.
Quote from www.dallasnews.com(hat tip pfi/aurora)The Dallas County health department today reported its 24th confirmed death related to the H1N1 flu virus.
The victim was a 57-year-old man with no underlying high-risk medical conditions.
As has been its policy, the health department provided no additional identifying details.
Jan 26, '10Chicago, Illinois
Quote from www.chicagotribune.com(hat tip pfi/monotreme)Though health experts had been warning for months of the H1N1 flu pandemic, Lisa Amoruso had been among those who decided the swine-flu vaccine was too risky for her family. Suddenly she was in Rush University Medical Center's intensive-care unit, on the verge of becoming one of an estimated 11,000 Americans to die of the virus over the last year.
She was hooked up to a ventilator to keep her breathing and to a dialysis machine for her failing kidneys. Then, to keep her absolutely still, her doctors put her into an induced paralytic coma.
Doctors say that what happened to Lisa Amoruso should be a cautionary tale about how swiftly swine flu can turn lethal. The virus has been in retreat since peaking in November, but it continues to hospitalize people and still kills some. Last week, the Illinois Department of Public Health reported two new deaths and 161 new hospitalizations because of H1N1. In all, 91 Illinoisans have died and 2,894 have been hospitalized.
On Jan. 16, Amoruso finally returned to her Bridgeport home, walking up the front steps on her own into a small reception party. She will continue in-home physical therapy, but doctors tell her she will recover 100 percent.
For her, the ordeal is a blank except for foggy memories of weeping relatives and friends happy to see her alive. She said she regrets one thing — deciding last fall not to have herself, her husband and her kids vaccinated.Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 27, '10