Differing types of therapeutic self-defense philosophy and techniques

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As a nurse who's recently gone back to psych (my true love), I was totally taken aback by the type of training my state psych facility provides.

I'm a patient-first advocate, and always concerned for what's right for patients. Patient's should never receive any form of abuse. However, I feel there's a balance between patient's rights and the rights of the staff to be safe and free from abuse. At my facility (which is a state-run facility) I feel as though they've completely sacrificed the rights of the nurse and techs in favor of the rights of the patient.

I want to preface this with the understanding that we are assuming all verbal therapeutic communication, and early interventions are exhausted prior to crisis events.

Case in point:

Blocking a punch in any way if it's directed outward from the body (as happens in any karate tournament, 99% of the time without injury) is considered abuse as it MAY injure the patient's striking arm. There is a difference between assaulting a patient with a punch and a block, however the state does not recognize this difference. To me, this is extreme.

2nd issue:

Our state does not provide security personell for interventions. In Colorado, we had a designated security team trained in detaining, restraining, physical and mechanical restraints. BOTH staff and security would intervene and answer distress signals. (Mech restraints were the responsibility of the nurse ONLY, but they were still trained in application) This was back in 2005.

In my current state, there is no provision for security, and the staff is to intervene in any and all crisis situations. My unit is VERY acute, and we have physical altercations often.

Again, I'm all for "balance". I understand that we are not the patient, and are not psychotic, however I disagree with the idea that the training they provide (which is 2, 6-hour sessions) is enough to be proficient. And even if it WAS enough training, my opinion is that it wouldn't be effective even if one WAS an expert with years of experience in many crisis situations. (qualifier: I'm a black-belt level Jiu Jitsu, Mixed Martial Artist with years of self-defense training) Essentially, I feel as though it guarantees the staff member an injury...eventually.

Situation that makes me post this:

We had a tech fired for blocking a patient's arm using an open hand out-ward block. We all saw it, we all described it accurately to the investigative team. The patient bloodied the nose of the tech, and the tech NEVER used an offensive-based maneuver, just the block.

QUESTION for you all:

Is this the way it is at your facility? Are you state-run or private? Is this overly-progressive in your opinion? Please share you thoughts and experiences!

Specializes in Critical Care.
I'm a nursing student and will be starting my psych rotation in May. I'm curious to see what the protocol is like in my area....

well when i was doing my psych clinic at the county facility we had an inservice at the staff & security told us this:

students are not protected the same as staffing (idk what the difference was, but he made it clear that we were not insured by the facility and the facility would not be paying for "incurred" expenses.

that in no way shape or form were students to be alone in a room with a patient. reasons included psych issues for the patient stemming from sexual abuse, torture etc and they could act out; some patients had abusive "habits" that as students we might not be aware of etc

that when speaking with a patient you should never ever have your back against a wall and you must always be aware of the TWO ways you can dart to safety.

when sitting with a patient we were to be in arms length distance and across a table. if in chairs, we should be one chair away or something

ladies, no pony tails because if we ran, that is what they could grab on to. no necklaces for the same reason and ESPECIALLY do not wear anything with religous symbols or bright colors, as this may aggravate them.

THIS SAID, when patients are (often involuntarily) in a *locked* county or state psych facility, they are at their worst. they are unmedicated (or i should say a therapeutic dose/ effect has not been reached), unpredictable and psychotic. and people with bad enough depression can become psychotic as well, in very extreme situations.

i did a few days in a locked down child psych unit and it was bananas. it took 1 rn, 2 big male security gaurds, 1 tech and a pleading parent to physically, mechanically and chemically subdue a tiny austic 9 yo boy. i wouldnt have believed it if i hadnt seen it myself. but there was a clear cut system in place. it was very matter of fact and calm (in the weirdest way).

take a couple mins to review the policy that you clinical site has regarding abusive pt and staff safety.

if you dont follow policy , the higher ups will never ever back you up or cover your expenses.

We have an obligation to provide treatment. There can be no effective treatment if staff are in fear.

Hey All

As a follow up to this thread topic: Is there one style of martial arts that teaches the defensive moves without the offensive counter-moves? In my area Krav Maga is the next new thing, but this is way too offensive in nature.

Although I try to keep a peaceful "Zen"attitude, I do not feel comfortable going to a local self defense school asking for all of the defensive and none of the offensive training. I tend to react stimulus/response and do not want any conditioning of aggressive responses.

As a side note, I am a nursing student who works as a counselor in a MH group home. Our defensive training can be summed up by "run away as fast as you can".

G

the only one I can think of at the moment would be aikido. but you have to look at the different schools of aikido to find one that fits what you're looking for. I trained in aikido for about 10 years and it's up to us to counter a move or just deflect it.

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