Nurses at Scripps Encinitas Hospital in San Diego County California have filed a petition to Decertify the California Nurses Association.
The California Nurses Association have made several unsuccessful attempts to strike at the hospital and have failed to garner enough support among staff nurses.
A copy of the petition is available from the National Labor Relations Board or download the petition now at http://www.stopunions.com
Ratios are important in the contract because people like you and Emperor Ahnold can try to change the ratio laws at any time. Having it in the contract means it's safe even if that happens.
Merit pay is a joke in many places. A friend of mine worked as a nurse in Kansas and didn't get her full merit increase for not being a team player. She pointed out that she took charge nurse assignment, helped other nurses, precepted new hires, participated in staff meetings, etc. Know why her manager said she wasn't a team player? Because she wouldn't do 16 hour shifts by picking up an extra 4 hours after a 12 hour shift. Now she works out here and doesn't have to worry about that type of bs. Unions are only a response to bad management. If nurses are respected, they don't need a union and wouldn't vote them in.
Personally, I don't need a money incentive to do my best at work. I do the best I can because I love what I do.
I never implied anyone did. If you like your non-union job, then bully for you.
Bully for her, or bully her???
I have worked in 4 hospitals in 21 years and Nurses who organize for the union tend to bully the ones who don't want a union. They are called "in bed" with management etc... Just look at all the times you all have said these things to Sherwood and all the other grass roots people who try to educate their peers on the down sides of joining a union. The union organizers can never respect that there are 2/3 of all the RNs in California who have DECIDED to work in a non-union facility.
Union supporters tell people to go work in a non-union hospital if they don't like dues. Well I say if you love CNA go work where they already have a contract and stop trying to bully others into joining.
I have worked in 4 hospitals in 21 years and Nurses who organize for the union tend to bully the ones who don't want a union. They are called "in bed" with management etc... Just look at all the times you all have said these things to Sherwood and all the other grass roots people who try to educate their peers on the down sides of joining a union. The union organizers can never respect that there are 2/3 of all the RNs in California who have DECIDED to work in a non-union facility.
Union supporters tell people to go work in a non-union hospital if they don't like dues. Well I say if you love CNA go work where they already have a contract and stop trying to bully others into joining.
You're clearly twisting my words. "Bully for you" means "good for you", that's it. No sinister motivation behind it. Just like you've had some negative experiences, this is one of mine with some people (this need to twist the words of those who feel differently and try to create confrontation where there is none). I don't understand why you feel the need to do that or what you get out of it. I have never bullied anyone into joining CNA since the jobs I work ALREADY are in unionized facilities, just like you suggest I should. Believe it or not, I have a life outside nursing and don't spend time going from non-union hospital to non-union hospital trying to intimidate and bully RNs with my mean union gang of thugs.
I don't recall ever saying Sherwood was "in bed with management" either. He/She is obviously on the same side as management in their facility, but I really don't care. If you want to work a non-union job, you can. I can also choose to work in a union facility and yes, that means paying dues. I don't whine about dues after taking a job I knew required them. People who do are being a little silly.
My intent was to show the many cards these people are trying to play to get nurses to join "their cause." The sooner PEOPLE (not just nurses) realize that they can make change without literally paying for it in the form of dues, the better. If anyone really thinks a union creates positive change, they need to look in the mirror because PEOPLE make change, unions make a profit off of what PEOPLE accomplish.
Which begs the question...What have non union nurses accomplished to advance this occupation? I gotta know. There is no unity in nursing. Even if someone makes an attempt to improve things for example in TX, who is going to back them up? Who? The TX BON? :chuckle The ANA? :rotfl: I'm not asking for much. I just want one bill, one law. Anything? Something other than just saying we can bring about change.
I can say that in the past, what, 20, 30 years I'm not aware of nonunion nurses accomplishing anything. The one third of licensed RNs who refuse to work at the bedside haven't seen what nurses have done to advance nursing. Has anyone out there seen what nurses have done to further this occupation; to bring nurses back to the bedside; to keep the new nurses at the bedside? Please. I'm begging you to tell me what has been done? Show me anything. I want to see that what the anti union folks say is more than just hot air and lip service.
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Which begs the question...What have non union nurses accomplished to advance this occupation? I gotta know. There is no unity in nursing. Even if someone makes an attempt to improve things for example in TX, who is going to back them up? Who? The TX BON? :chuckle The ANA? :rotfl: I'm not asking for much. I just want one bill, one law. Anything? Something other than just saying we can bring about change.
I can say that in the past, what, 20, 30 years I'm not aware of nonunion nurses accomplishing anything. The one third of licensed RNs who refuse to work at the bedside haven't seen what nurses have done to advance nursing. Has anyone out there seen what nurses have done to further this occupation; to bring nurses back to the bedside; to keep the new nurses at the bedside? Please. I'm begging you to tell me what has been done? Show me anything. I want to see that what the anti union folks say is more than just hot air and lip service.
Just ask my patients what I have done to advance nursing, ask their families, ask any of the nurses I have precepted over the years. Ask the high school students I have lectured to on the dangers of driving under the influence. Ask my peers.
Being a nurse and advancing the name and the profession of nursing is not about loud, angry voices screaming in the street. Being a nurse is not interrupting a Governors speech with rude disrespectful comments. Being a nurse is not about eating our young new nurses.
Nursings future is bright on so many levels, the aging population and advances in technology have made nursing much more technical and specialized. We hold the power.The unions will try to convince us that we are weak without them. They know that as demand increases so do wages and in turn their chance at our dues. That is the only reason they want us.
Just ask my patients what I have done to advance nursing, ask their families, ask any of the nurses I have precepted over the years. Ask the high school students I have lectured to on the dangers of driving under the influence. Ask my peers.
Being a nurse and advancing the name and the profession of nursing is not about loud, angry voices screaming in the street. Being a nurse is not interrupting a Governors speech with rude disrespectful comments. Being a nurse is not about eating our young new nurses.
Nursings future is bright on so many levels, the aging population and advances in technology have made nursing much more technical and specialized. We hold the power.The unions will try to convince us that we are weak without them. They know that as demand increases so do wages and in turn their chance at our dues. That is the only reason they want us.
WOW..what some interesting conversations. I have no experience working in any unionized group, so I certainly don't have any experience. I am from a small hospital in the south. New grads start out at $19.75/hour, nurses with 15 + years can make $32/hour base pay. Our patient nurse ratio on med-surg is generally 1:6, ICU 1:2, really not a bad place to be. There is no mandatory overtime and job satisfaction seems to be pretty good. I feel that a union would just make matters worse for us. I may be wrong,but don't think so.
Just ask my patients what I have done to advance nursing, ask their families, ask any of the nurses I have precepted over the years. Ask the high school students I have lectured to on the dangers of driving under the influence. Ask my peers.
Being a nurse and advancing the name and the profession of nursing is not about loud, angry voices screaming in the street. Being a nurse is not interrupting a Governors speech with rude disrespectful comments. Being a nurse is not about eating our young new nurses.
Nursings future is bright on so many levels, the aging population and advances in technology have made nursing much more technical and specialized. We hold the power.The unions will try to convince us that we are weak without them. They know that as demand increases so do wages and in turn their chance at our dues. That is the only reason they want us.
So if you are saying that by us doing our jobs to the best of our ability we are advancing our profession, I suspect (or at least hope) that a large majority of nurses do that. And thank you for doing a wonderful job. But it still doesn't answer my question. Us doing our job hasn't brought one RN back to the bedside. 8:1 + ratios drives nurses away. Injuries due to moving patients drives them away. Hospitals taking away benefits while increasing the admin paycheck chases nurses away. Nurses come back when we work under safe conditions, when there are fewer patients to take care of, when we have insurance policies which give us peace of mind that if we or our family gets sick the financial burden is handled. Have you or anyone you know ever accomplished this when you started your new job in a hospital; or even over the course of employment? Any individual ever manage to get better benefits than everyone else in the hospital, or lower ratios, or their own team to help them reposition, lift, ambulate their patients? These are just a few of the things I'm looking for.
EDIT: BTW there are plenty of non union cannibalistic nurses out there, so unions can't get all the credit for eating their young.
You're clearly twisting my words. "Bully for you" means "good for you", that's it. No sinister motivation behind it. Just like you've had some negative experiences, this is one of mine with some people (this need to twist the words of those who feel differently and try to create confrontation where there is none). I don't understand why you feel the need to do that or what you get out of it. I have never bullied anyone into joining CNA since the jobs I work ALREADY are in unionized facilities, just like you suggest I should. Believe it or not, I have a life outside nursing and don't spend time going from non-union hospital to non-union hospital trying to intimidate and bully RNs with my mean union gang of thugs.
I don't recall ever saying Sherwood was "in bed with management" either. He/She is obviously on the same side as management in their facility, but I really don't care. If you want to work a non-union job, you can. I can also choose to work in a union facility and yes, that means paying dues. I don't whine about dues after taking a job I knew required them. People who do are being a little silly.
I wasn't directing my comments directly at you. I was directing them generally toward the pro union posts on this thread and threads like this one. I am expressing my feelings and experiences in my work life as do you. I did not twist your words, I just found them thought provoking. I have witnessed bullying by pro union nurses. I did not call you a bully nor did I credit you with the comment about Sherwood. I believe I was clear and perhaps you are a bit "sensitive".
It is my hope that RNs on both sides of this issue can act respectfully toward one another no matter how the union and management behave. (and I believe I will be ill if one more person tries to tell me that the union IS nurses, because that is a bold face lie.) Most of the people listed on their payroll ARE NOT NURSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just look at the LM2s! I have looked every one of them up on the BRN website.
I wasn't directing my comments directly at you. I was directing them generally toward the pro union posts on this thread and threads like this one. I am expressing my feelings and experiences in my work life as do you. I did not twist your words, I just found them thought provoking. I have witnessed bullying by pro union nurses. I did not call you a bully nor did I credit you with the comment about Sherwood. I believe I was clear and perhaps you are a bit "sensitive".
It is my hope that RNs on both sides of this issue can act respectfully toward one another no matter how the union and management behave. (and I believe I will be ill if one more person tries to tell me that the union IS nurses, because that is a bold face lie.) Most of the people listed on their payroll ARE NOT NURSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just look at the LM2s! I have looked every one of them up on the BRN website.
If you quote one of my posts to start your "union nurses are bullies" response, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume you were talking to me.
:chuckle BTW, the union is nurses..... Sorry, couldn't resist :rotfl: Don't worry, I get the same feeling when people insist anti-union organizers have nothing to do with management and are purely a grassroots staff nurse group :chuckle Both are a mix and that doesn't bother me much.
Out of 100 union opponents participating in the demonstration .... "An organizer said about one in five members of the audience worked as nurses at Scripps Encinitas. Doctors and other hospital workers participated."
So ... only 20 protesters were actually nurses (out of 250 who work at the facility). The vast majority of protesters can't even vote in the election ... interesting. :icon_roll
"Anti-union nurses from other hospitals attended and some of them made speeches ...
A group calling itself Concerned Scripps Physicians secured the Bert Long Lutheran Field to stage the event."
It's unusual to see doctors campaigning on nurse union issues. It will be interesting to see what impact this has on the vote.
I could be wrong, but I personally think the opponents are making a mistake here. I'm not sure RN's will be receptive to doctors, non-nurses and outside RN's who don't even work there telling them how to vote. This strategy could backfire.
"Opponents of the union have launched a Web site, http://www.NotInOurHouse.org, which Internet records show is registered to a Chris Quattrino. A San Diego address is listed for the site, and so is the main telephone number for the Encinitas hospital.
(Union opponent) Fagnant said the designer of the Web page is an employee of Scripps' marketing department who created the Web designs on his own time."
At least we know that notinourhouse.org comes from the Scripps marketing department.
Still waiting for Sherwood to disclose the owner/operators of stopunions.com.
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Ratios are important in the contract because people like you and Emperor Ahnold can try to change the ratio laws at any time. Having it in the contract means it's safe even if that happens.
Merit pay is a joke in many places. A friend of mine worked as a nurse in Kansas and didn't get her full merit increase for not being a team player. She pointed out that she took charge nurse assignment, helped other nurses, precepted new hires, participated in staff meetings, etc. Know why her manager said she wasn't a team player? Because she wouldn't do 16 hour shifts by picking up an extra 4 hours after a 12 hour shift. Now she works out here and doesn't have to worry about that type of bs. Unions are only a response to bad management. If nurses are respected, they don't need a union and wouldn't vote them in.
Personally, I don't need a money incentive to do my best at work. I do the best I can because I love what I do.