Death of the Physical Assessment

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I have a history of some GI issues, which have been well controlled for years. I see a GI doctor annually. Today I saw her. Of course in this day and age you expect almost no time to be spent with you. And my issues have been stable for some time now. However, I couldn't believe the cursory physical I got. It was practically to the point of "Why bother?"

First the MA took my vital signs. She told me my HR was "68." I was feeling anxious and could feel my heart pounding away. When she left the room I took my own HR and got 122.

For the physical exam, the doctor listened to my lungs in 2 places and listened to my heart for about 2 seconds. I was a little surprised to say the least when she told me that was it. I didn't even get on the exam table. There was no abdominal assessment at all.

That being said, I don't mean to single this particular person out, as this has become the norm. I understand that some of this is from time limitations, but I still feel you can do a more thorough exam.

Everyday when doing my initial assessment on my patients I do a more thorough exam than that. I typically listen to the heart for at least 30 seconds and usually in two different locations. I listen to lung sounds in all fields. I listen to bowel sounds. I look in their mouths. I check for pulses in all four extremities. I look for edema. I check for capillary refill. I look at any wounds. I look at their central line site and flush any unused lumens and check for blood return (so when I need that lumen later it's not a surprise that it's clotted). I ask them to demonstrate incentive spirometer use. That's it. It takes

I'm sure saying that I have no issues bought me a less thorough assessment. I'm also sure more complex diagnostic studies have led more to the death of the physical assessment.

But really, if I'm paying for your time and expertise, don't I deserve a bit more than that?

I wonder if it would have been different had she known I was an RN.

Specializes in Oncology.
To the OP:

I wonder how much you were charged for this "examination"?

$10 copay. No idea what insurance was billed.

Specializes in Oncology.
Did you mean to write that?

Yes. This wasn't my usual doctor. My usual doctor is excellent.

Specializes in Oncology.
I have also witnessed doctors writing in patient charts without going near the rooms. Deplorable.

I'm another who has witnessed this. I read what they charted regarding "line site" first and can tell right there if they saw the patient. They have chart PICC on someone with a CVL or mediport. Ugh.

I was recently hospitalized with abdominal pain that turned out to be a blocked common bile duct. Three GI docs saw me over three days. Only one bothered to listen for bowel sounds. I was shocked.

I had a surgeon practically laugh at me recently when I was updating him over the phone on his post-op bowel resection pt and included the fact that he had +bowel sounds...

he said, "well that doesn't mean anything, I don't even listen for bowel tones!" I was like, "hmm.. I guess it's just all us stupid nurses going around listening to everyone's bellies!! Duh?:imbar!"

Specializes in Oncology.
You said it yourself. Your issues have been well controlled for years, and have been stable for some time now. Exactly what will a physical exam tell your doctor if you have no new signs or symptoms to report?

It's not so much the lack of physical assessment, as the fake physical assessment. Listening to my lungs in two places is just sad. Listening to my heart in the location it was listened to and for under two seconds- what is this telling you?

Specializes in Cardiac Telemetry, ED.

It can tell you whether there are any extra heart sounds or whether a murmur is present. It doesn't take long to determine that.

If you don't have any respiratory complaints and are young and reasonably healthy, listening to the lungs in two places can tell whether they are clear and whether you have good air movement.

If there were any cardiac or respiratory concerns, then yes, a more in depth exam would be indicated. But then, you'd be going to your GP, not your GI specialist, I would imagine.

Specializes in Oncology.
It can tell you whether there are any extra heart sounds or whether a murmur is present. It doesn't take long to determine that.

What about to tell the difference between a heart rate of 68 and one of 120? Or are we just assuming the vitals taken by the MA were never looked at?

If you don't have any respiratory complaints and are young and reasonably healthy, listening to the lungs in two places can tell whether they are clear and whether you have good air movement.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe you can ever determine the lungs are clear from listening in two spots.

I can't tell if you're playing devil's advocate here, or if you actually think this is okay.

Specializes in Med/Surg.

I can relate to the HR discrepancy. Nearly every time I go to the doctor, I know my HR isn't recorded accurately. I have always been tachycardic (bet if I was in shape, I'd be normal...ha) but have often had my heart rate recorded as being in the 60's or 70's. That I KNOW is wrong (and I usually check it after they leave, and it sits around 100). One of my doc's offices uses the pulse ox to record HR, but those always show my rate as being HIGHER than it is...I might be tachycardic but my pulse is NOT 142. How hard is it??

Specializes in Cardiac Telemetry, ED.
What about to tell the difference between a heart rate of 68 and one of 120? Or are we just assuming the vitals taken by the MA were never looked at?

No, that part is concerning. I'm not sure what to make of it. Did the MA use a pulse ox to get the pulse rate, or did they palpate an artery and count?

I'm sorry, I just don't believe you can ever determine the lungs are clear from listening in two spots.

I can't tell if you're playing devil's advocate here, or if you actually think this is okay.

I think it's okay for a GI specialist who is assessing a stable patient with no new s/s to report.
Specializes in Oncology.
No, that part is concerning. I'm not sure what to make of it. Did the MA use a pulse ox to get the pulse rate, or did they palpate an artery and count?

It was palpated radially. My guess, giving her the benefit of the doubt, is that she counted for 15 seconds and accidentally doubled instead of quadrupled the result. The fact that the HR wasn't questioned at all means to me that the doctor either wasn't listening to my heart at all, or didn't check the vitals the MA obtained.

I appreciate your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I think at least some degree of assessment is valuable in all instances, and I don't think I was assessed at all. I think a show was put on that may fool someone less educated into thinking they were assessed. May.

I am going in for surgery on my ankle for the second time Ortho Doc filled out H&P Heart- RRR, Lungs clear Bilat,abd. soft non-tender. He never looked at anything other than my ankle and my x-ray. He didn't even have a stethoscope.

Specializes in Cardiac Telemetry, ED.
It was palpated radially. My guess, giving her the benefit of the doubt, is that she counted for 15 seconds and accidentally doubled instead of quadrupled the result. The fact that the HR wasn't questioned at all means to me that the doctor either wasn't listening to my heart at all, or didn't check the vitals the MA obtained.

Why would the doctor question a HR of 68? When listening to your heart sounds, the doctor might have noticed the rate was elevated (and thus, not the 68 reported by the MA), but in the absence of any other clinical s/s (dizziness, paleness, nausea, diaphoresis, fever, dehydration), unless your rate was a lot faster than 122, it wouldn't be significant.

Did the doctor miss something? If so, then definitely follow up!

I appreciate your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I think at least some degree of assessment is valuable in all instances, and I don't think I was assessed at all. I think a show was put on that may fool someone less educated into thinking they were assessed. May.

That's fair. I think if you're that bothered by it, you should take it up with the doctor, especially if something was missed.
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