Colonoscopy Drugs and alternatives

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I was wondering if I could get some general input from GI nurses and or CRNAs who provide procedural conscious sedation and pain control for colonoscopy. Since I get this exam yearly after avoiding extensive cancer surgery, I try to get as many patient who need the exam to get one. An increasing number of people do not want the amnesia/memor loss associated withh Versed (Midazolam) and opt for the exam sedation-free. I am one of them. The question often comes up with patients who do not want sedation: can they just get pain control (fentanyl)? I understand the synergy between the midazolam and the narcotic and understand that the patient be quite are of the exam, but I agree with the patients who have had or heard about negative experiences with Versed (and the number is increasing daily). So, question #1:

For colonoscopy in a patient declinig sedation, do you see any reason why they could not just have fentanyl? This option would get a fair number of patients screened who do not want sedation. Recently, a patient told me that the GI lab at our hospital told her: either accept sedation or you won't get anything for pain. Seems a little one-sided to me, but I called to schedule a colonoscopy and was told the same thing. One GI nurse said it might be a way to convince everyone to accept sedation also. If true, this is bad, leading to many not getting the test.

question #2 (for CRNAs):

For colonoscopy where propofol is given, do you also administer a narcotic (ie fentanyl) or just use propofol? I'm asking because I have noiced an increase in patient dissatifaction with colonoscopy with propofol when fentanyl was not used; and this is important to me since many patients pay extra for it when I suggest propofol. Up until recently, every patient who had colonoscopy with anesthesa coverage (propofol) was satisfied; now I am running into a lot of patients who had propofol and would never consider another exam because of painful memories. And when I review their charts, they are always the ones who got propofol without any narcotic.

Thanks in advance for your inpt. I personally would never do the exam with sedation, but I have to keep my personal opinions out of my work, although it is refreshing to run across so many patients who will not accept Versed because of its well-documented, negative reputation (askapatient or versedbusters). Thanks.

You're right, a caring, well qualified Dr makes all the difference. I was VERY lucky to have found two of them in the St Pete-Clearwater area that agreed to do this procedure without sedation and just a small amount of Demerol (which really didn't do anything....I didn't feel any different and could have driven myself home oth times.

This is NOT a painful procedure if done correctly and the physican takes his/her time. I talked to my Dr's during both exams and removal of a very large polyp that ended up be pre-cancerous...no pain at all, no bleeding either. I was scared out of my wits that they would force sedation on me for this, but thank god there stil are some Humane Doctors in this world that actually LISTEN to their patients and comply with their wishes. I told both Dr's if I can have dental work done w/o novocaine and give birth to two 9+ lb babies naturally with no drugs that I'm sure that the "c-word" would not be an issue for me....and it wasn't.

Don't be scared, just do it....I went due to unusual bleeding, and thank god I did. If I hadn't had that polyp removed and biopsied, I would have had colon cancer in the next few years. An ounce of prevention is certainly worth a pound of cure.

I tell everyone I know to never, ever let anyone give them the drug Versed, it causes permanant memory/brain damage, causes severe anxiety attacks and I also tell them if they cave in and let the dr/anestiologist/dentist/nurse give them this drug....they will never know life as they know it now....This drug needs to be banned from use on people it's PURE EVIL.

Your article (review) does not support what you think it supports.

Here's just one part:

These patients were on a continuous benzodiazepine sedation drip of 75mg or more, daily. It does not identify the agent, but it was likely lorazepam or midazolam. This might be regional variation, but lorazepam is preferred in this neck of the woods for continuous sedation.

In addition, the patients were on this drip for days, weeks, even months.

Compare this to limited bolusing of typically less than 5-10 mg over thirty minutes or so during a procedure.

Even then, with long term heavy use, there was only a correlation in a small percentage of individuals- individuals with complex morbidities and treatment plans.

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You are putting words in my mouth again regarding midazolam. I have no particular love affair with the drug. I selected propofol when I did my first scope, as it is a superior drug (one that requires a trained anesthesia expert, mind you).

I am simply attempting to combat blatant disinformation about it. Being a patient advocate. Go back and read some of the explicitly crazy things said about its use in this thread, for context.

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I tell everyone I know to never, ever let anyone give them the drug Versed, it causes permanant memory/brain damage, causes severe anxiety attacks and I also tell them if they cave in and let the dr/anestiologist/dentist/nurse give them this drug....they will never know life as they know it now....This drug needs to be banned from use on people it's PURE EVIL.

Right on cue, serialmom12 proves my point.

Thanks.

yup proves a point that I'm right and you're wrong and totally full of yourself, must be nice.

Right on cue hypocaffeinemia does exactly what I expected. Versed can be a very bad drug and is unilaterally used on unsuspecting patients to gain compliance. Villifying those poor souls who have a bad reaction to Midazolam is perplexing to say the least. The amount of subterfuge and aggression by some in the medical field regarding its use is shocking. I expected hypo to try to twist the most recent study on PTSD and the use of Midazolam. My dear you all seem to feel that Versed is the same as Valium, yet now we are going to split hairs as to which exact benzo is being used. Typical. I have read all the web sites that I can find about bad reactions to Versed. I don't find these outside the realm of possibility. Any drug which causes the changes in behavior and cognitive function has an endless possibility for detrimental side effects. Dismissing the side effects as anecdotal, narrowly focused or not possible is very narrow minded. This is an alarming trend in medical care these days. Patients have a right to know what is being put in their bodies and what it does. They have a right to say no. They have a right to be "control freaks" or any other thing. They have an absolute right to have their wishes heeded regardless of what the medical person, nurse, Doctor whatever IMAGINES is best for them. They are living beings with likes, dislikes and life experiences. They deserve to be treated with respect and dignity, not drugged into oblivion. Midazolam is a commonly used drug to bypass patient rights and autonomy. Midazolam causes extreme anxiety in any number of patients and these human beings are being treated like they are crazy and their concerns are being dismissed as "not Versed!" There are a LOT of people who are not going to get lifesaving medical treatment because of the Midazolam problem. Regardless of how YOU feel about it, patients are saying something else. Because of my experience with Versed I am in a unique position to help patients who have undergone a treatment, usually a colonoscopy or endoscopy in which the drug Versed was used and the effects of it were not revealed by their care givers. These people are nervous WRECKS! Is this what nursing is about? Forcing patients to take a drug and then if they object, quantify their pain or dismiss it entirely? Demand that they PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Versed? Prove it isn't Versed. Please no anecdotal evidence or self serving studies designed to promote the use of Versed.

AMEN!!! Unless you've been a "versed victim" you'll never understand how this drugs changes you for ever. The memory loss, anxiety, depression, paranoia. Is this helping a person? I can't possibly see how it could. It just makes the patient a compliant zombie for the medical profession to hurry through diagnostic procedures not giving a crap whether or not the patient is in pain and actually laughing and commenting how they won't remember the screaming and writhing when they wake up.....alot of DO remember that.

One procedure I would never endure again is an endoscopy. They use this technique to look down your throat and see if anything is wrong...usually either not finding anything or finding something that they can't do anything about. This test is like midevil torture, I have permant throat damage from it, I choke on almost everything I eat or drink since I had this done. I went into respiratory arrest while having this test and being pumped up with more and more versed because I woke up 5 times....all the drug did was make me violent, I'm told I almost strangled the Dr to death and it took 4 orderlies to pull me off of him (I wonder if that would be a justifyable homicide? It would be in my book....I can see the headlines now "Patient given evil poison Versed for an endoscopy, and murders Doctor from a paradoxical reaction.")

The funny thing is that the Dr actually called me up after I complained to the CEO of the hospital about this torture from hell, and the Dr had the gall to call me up, not once but several times, telling me to come back in so he could stretch my throat so I wouldn't choke.....Like I'm stupid or something and am going to let this moron actually TOUCH me again????? What the hell is wrong with the medical profession today? Especially the idiots that live in Florida....I think every Dr that can't make it anywhere else gets hired in FL. In the past 18 years if there was a quack, moron, rapist, molester, or ignoramus....I've managed to find him/her in the tampa bay area.

If you're thinking of having any surgery done...you may want to email me first.....I'm sure after all I've been through, I'd probably help SAVE your life from these morons AND from being a basket case from the drug Versed.:angryfire

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