Potential MN Nurses Strike? - page 16

Below is video of an amazing, heartfelt and to-the-point statement from Methodist Hospital RN Karen Anderson during today's bargaining session. Please watch and share this video as it sums up what... Read More

  1. by   msn10
    Quote from herring_RN
    Healthcare compensation in 2008 was highest for people working for corporations that provide no patient care at all.
    Yes, I understand that, but CEO compensation is a different argument all together.

    What I am saying is that universal health care countries usually have a lower RN compensation satisfaction measure against that of the US. I am totally in agreement with you on how much CEO's are overpaid in all corporate arenas, but apples to apples, US nurses also benefit from the for profit insurance reimbursement by increased wages.
  2. by   Overland1
    The nurses who are so unhappy with the eeeeeeeeevil (find and hire a CEO and V-P's who will do the job for less money and see how that works out - maybe it will, and maybe it will not... YMMV, so to speak) hospital administration should join together and open their own (union-led, of course) hospital and run it the way they want their current employers to run their current place of employment. If they succeed, more power to them as a new model will have emerged as a true innovation. If not, they can go back to being led by a union.

    Actually, back in Nursing school, a few of us incorrigible students came up with an idea for opening a hospital, but it had nothing to do with unions. Using the Roy Model (remember her?), our criteria for discharge would be the patient being able to tell a good joke... we called it "Adaptive in the Humor Mode". We would name the place, "St. Shecky's Memorial Hospital."

    But seriously, folks, when enough employees demand more money from a source that eventually runs out of "more money", then something has to give; three guesses as to what will "give", and what the result will be.
  3. by   herring_RN
    Hospital administrators job is to run a hospital Their duty is to provide healthcare.
    I was NOT posting about them.

    Health insurance corporations duty is to shareholders.
    No one working for them provides any healthcare at all. (Kaiser is the one exception)

    How come hospitals are short staffed, patients get less care while nurses ar constantly interrupted?

    Where do our health insurance premiums go?
    They should go to paying for healthcare when and if we need it. Yet just one person got a $110 million retirement from an insurance corporation.

    Nurses caring for patients are not the problem in our healthcare.
    Nurses deserve to retire with dignity.
  4. by   cabernet
    MSN 10
    That nurse in Norway also gets 8 weeks PAID vacation every year, 6 months PAID maternity or paternity leave, FREE college education for life (NO STUDENT LOANS), FREE health care, and the highest standard of living in the world. So her $3000 net monthly salary would actually be about $10,000 monthly USD minimum.
  5. by   SCSTxRN
    Hmmm.. how hard would it be to learn Norwegian?
  6. by   msn10
    That nurse in Norway also gets 8 weeks PAID vacation every year, 6 months PAID maternity or paternity leave, FREE college education for life (NO STUDENT LOANS), FREE health care, and the highest standard of living in the world. So her $3000 net monthly salary would actually be about $10,000 monthly USD minimum.
    Yeah, except that in Norway they have a 28% flat tax (Oh how I wish this country had a flat tax) and a VAT tax of 25%. I am not sure about that "highest standard of living" but the income you calculated doesn't include the unreasonably high amount of rent they pay.

    I can't put it up on this thread but my sister-in-law works as a corporate relocator for a major corp and they have a cost of living calculator. At the end of the day, US nurses make more per hour with all other factors considered. I think we can be proud of that fact and realize that based on the ICN, the United States is the most desirable place for international nurses to migrate to.

    Also, Norway's HC system is not all that wonderful.
    There are significant waiting times for many procedures. Many Norwegians go abroad for medical treatments. The average weight for a hip replacement is more than 4 months. "Approximately 23 percent of all patients referred for hospital admission have to wait longer than three months for admission." Also, care can be denied if it is not deemed to be cost-effective.
    I am not saying nurses should not be compensated fairly, just when 10% of the workforce is out of work, many people have lost health care and there is a list of other economic issues, we need to be careful.
  7. by   kitty29
    Quote from CNL2B
    This rant is ridiculous. Exactly how many years has it been since you worked at the bedside? Since when is a 4:1 acute care ratio a cakewalk? I have to say NO, we don't all know this -- similar ratios are now legally mandated in CA -- so the entire state doesn't agree with you, and this is coming soon to a hospital near you via the NNU, whether you agree with it or not. I am seeing this as a HUGE national push that nearly all bedside nurses agree with. Regardless of whether or not a bedside nurse wants to buy into a union or agree with it's governance, the profession as a whole is dedicated to providing excellent care, and we are no longer able to do that without mandated patient ratios because of people like YOU. Acute care hospital patients are now the sickest of the sick. Floor patients are now the ICU patients of 30 years ago. Unfortunately, management strategies haven't changed to reflect this reality --- hence the union involvement.

    I also really resent your statements about "real" nurses being able to handle a 10:1 ratio, and the partying/drinking on the picket lines. Excuse me? Do you have some sort of documentation to back that up? I'm sure if nurses were drinking on the picket lines it would have been all over the news -- I live in Minnesota, and would have gotten the local scoop either via the newspaper or the TV news. And yeah, sure, real nurses can take 10 patients -- but they can't provide even adequate care to 10 acute care patients. Get real. Get your butt out of the boardroom and follow a "real" nurse for a shift and find out what she/he really does these days.

    Joint commission has data out there (I believe it was previously posted in this thread, so I'm not going to link it) that states that nearly 25% of reported serious errors were related to nurse staffing issues. How does that play into your ideology? Don't you, as an exec, participate in the survey process and report to them? If you think your 10:1 RNs can get all their required joint commission charting done on 10 patients so you can CYA and maintain your accreditation without missing/falsifying information AND actually take care of the patients, you are sorely mistaken.
    I had believed and supported the fact that the MN nurses seemed to be striking for better staffing ratios...however in the end they did settle for just more money....so tell me who really won? No one really...Nothing good happens or results when a strike is decided in my view. I am glad they settled...and honestly think they should have stopped when the one day thing was over.
  8. by   kitty29
    Quote from SCSTxRN
    Hmmm.. how hard would it be to learn Norwegian?
    Not long for sure....I bet chayah you could do it in "two shakes of a lamb's tail"!

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