City Colleges of Chicago and HESI exit exam

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hello, everyone! good morning. i have a classmate here with me and she would like to make several comments based on her experience with our school and the hesi exam. please, be kind with your replies. please. note, this is her opinion and her experiences! lets respect that. thank you!

[color=#333333]the academic staff at one of the city colleges of chicago awarded me my grades, which indicates mastery of their nursing program.

[color=#333333]i was unsuccessful with the hesi exit exam, an exam that was utilized to protect their own pass rates two months before my graduation. the city colleges of chicago is implementing this exam only as an obstacle to prevent myself and other qualified classmates from taking the nclex rn exam. this strategy shows only one design, and that is only to give an artificially inflated pass rate for the school. which indicates that the city colleges of chicago lacks concern of the success of their students, but is only concern in protecting their own pass rates. i am not arguing the importance of appropriate and relevant testings. but the city colleges of chicago is using this exam to deny me and other classmates who have successfully completed the academic program the opportunity to graduate and sit for boards.

it all boils down to the city colleges of chicago not having confidence in their own academic program. they are trying to bolster their nclex pass rates by eliminating me and other classmates from the test pool. if they have legitimate reason to question me and other students' ability to pass nclex, then why have i passed all of their nursing classes? if i had any unsatisfactory performance i should have been weeded out of the program long before completing the program! i provided above standard care of my patients and received excellent evaluations/competency from my instructors for the two years that i was in the program. my family and i sacrificed a lot. i completed the program, and paid my tuitions. my score was 85%, which indicates the probability by percentage of passing the state boards exam (nclex rn). olive harvey college stated they will not allow me to sit for boards or give me my nursing degree unless i scored 87% or above. the hesi exam is not a competency exam. only the nclex rn is the nationally recognized competency exam. i have accumulated over 100 college credit hours and most are nursing. nursing courses are not transferable. there over 1 ½ yr. long waiting list in other nursing programs. i am in debt from college loans and with no degree to show for it. does this sound fair to you?

in simple terms what am i talking about?

what is the hesi exit exam? its an exam that determines the probability by percentage if you will pass the nclex rn exam. it is also used for both the faculty and students, to determine the student and nursing curriculum of their areas of weakness. in other words, it's a probability and assessment exam.

for example, there are 43 students who completed the nursing program. out of the 43 students only three passed the hesi exit exam. out the three who passed the hesi exit exam, only two passed the nclex rn exam. now, the school can state that they have 99% nclex pass rate. according to the state requirement, if nursing programs can show they have above 87% nclex first time test taker pass rate (i think that the%) they can attain more money from the state and it will bait more investors. but, what nobody knows is that, the 40 students who completed the program, cannot attain their nursing degree or take the nclex rn exam. those 40 students are left with nothing but a student loan, low self esteem, and humiliation. four years of nursing school down the drain.

one more thing, there are seven colleges within the city colleges of chicago. therefore, if there are 40 students who were unsuccessful, that would not include all the other six colleges. you can assume, 40 students times 6 colleges. plus, students graduate in december and may. that's 240 students times 2. you do the math. my classmates have been without their earned degree since 2006. i can assure you, currently, this sort of deceptive practice is still occurring city college wide. those students who were not successful, were abandoned by the school.

another thing, the city college policy is so subjective. they chose who can and cannot re-take the hesi exam. nobody knows how and why, but its true.

here is the kicker. you can take the nclex rn exam, according to the state licensing board up to twelve times within three years. but, the city colleges of chicago only counts those students who will pass nclex rn exam the first time. the second time test takers don't count. i wonder how many excellent doctors, and lawyers passed their boards the first time? i would like to hear from other city colleges of chicago nursing students who are going through this. we need to get together democratically and voice our concerns. this sort of diagnostic test is not being utilized in medical school. mayor daley i hope you will read this. how many times did it take you to pass your bar exam?

there are a lot of issues and concerns regarding the punitive uses of this exam. the creator of hesi, susan morrison has stated herself that she did not create these exams for punitive reasons, but as a learning tool. i hope i have a few supporters regarding this issue. if the city colleges of chicago truly wanted their students to be successful, they should have utilized the hesi exam throughout the curriculum and not just at the end. it should have been implemented after each nursing course, which will give the student familiarity base, and used accordingly as an assessment tool for both the faculty and student. why did they have to wait until we have completed the program? can you imagine? you received you final grades, than for the school to tell you, "oh by the way, you have to take another test, if you don't pass this one, you will not get your nursing degree and you won't be able sit for your licensing board?"

i would like nothing more than your support. help my classmates, please. if you have any question please ask away. you can research this issue, there are a lot of students who have voiced their concerns. i am afraid this sort of deceptive practice is becoming a trend with most nursing programs. other programs, have taken accountability and fixed their mistakes. unfortunately, the city colleges of chicago have not. i doubt that they will.

contact mayor daley, senator dick durbin, reporters, past, current students, nurses and anyone else you can think of to attend and advocate us. please!

the next board meeting will be held thursday, may 7, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. room 300 district office, 226 west jackson boulevard, chicago, il 60606.

my classmates and i do not have anymore money to take them to court and we don't have the resources. telling our story is all i, we have. i pray a savior will come. i have faith in the lord in the people. mind you, we are not asking for a free-ride. we asking for what we worked hard for - the opportunity to take the nclex rn exam.

i am sorry if this is so lengthy. i am sure that some of you can understand how much pain i am in. i and my classmates are suffering fiancially. please, help us.

This is an OUTRAGE!!!:angryfire:angryfire

One of my co-workers has to continue working as a PCT, while she goes thru nursing school AGAIN! She researched, and found a college that doesn't use HESI as a pass/fail.......I just hope that program doesn't decide to change their minds!

I really feel for all you Illinois RNs. When I graduated in WI, we only had to take this as a measure to see how strengths and weakness, in order to prepare to take the NCLEX.

Please let me know the name of the school which doesn't require you to take hesi. All my classmates failed the second test and now they have to attend another nursing school and start all over because none of the nursing classes are transferable. When we started school we were not told of the hesi and if I had of known I would not have went to city colleges of chicago. Please help some others who are in the same trickbag and let us know what nursing school does not require you to take hesi Thanks

Is this an issue at all of the city colleges? I was considering attending Truman, but this is worrisome. Does anyone know if this is a pervasive problem there, as well?

I would think twice if I was you before going to truman, we took the test on mother's day may 17 of 09 and not many truman students passed and the retake was july 17 of 09 and out of 60 students I heard that only 9 passed and the students were so angry they all protested but as usual to no avail and their only recourse is to retake the entire 2nd year of the program and then they get 1 more chance and then thats it you must try to find another nursing school and start the program all over because none of city college nursing credits are accepted anywhere else. Good Luck and chose wisely because if I knew about the hesi before I started school I would not have gone to city colleges. I do know that st. xavier is an excellent school and there is no hesi.

good luck choose wisely and read everything you can find on all nurses.com and other nursing websites about the hesi there are more people who fail than pass and these are people who passed these programs with flying colors and worked hard. school is just too difficult and time consuming to take a chance on not passing hesi in 2 try's if they gave us 10 try's like other schools or even 4-5 it would have been much better to me.

The only schools so far that doesn't require Hesi:

1) Harper College

2) Depaul

3) St. Xavier

As someone who is going to Truman this fall, I am SO APPRECIATIVE of the information in this thread! Looks like I will be looking in to transferring to DePaul down the line in order to avoid this mess!

The problem you might have is when you start Truman this fall and want to transfer to Depaul later, your credits will not transfer over and you will have to start all over again :banghead:

That's true. It is better to start where you plan to finish the program, because nursing credits are unlikely to transfer. And by all means avoid HESI!!

Yes, avoid Hesi! I graduated from a City College and new nothing about Hesi when I got there. I remember we all sat in a big auditorium for orientation and the professors spoke about passing Hesi right off the bat. We all looked at each other and said "oh crap". I was lucky I passed Hesi but they don't prepare you for it. You have to incorporate Hesi on your own plus the other crap you have to study for. The STRESS was unbearable towards the end because you have weekly exams, plus clinicals plus HESI looming around the corner. :banghead:

I don't know where to start. First, I am currently at a City college about to embark in my 3rd time in taking hesi. I scored 850 plus on the second try and guess what?? I have to now audit my last year. Let me tell you the cool thing they are doing since a lot of students at Truman didn't pass hesi on 7/17 and they had the majority all other students in the same situation that I am in has to go to Truman to complete this year. Now they are offering an accelerated program this time. Now this is how it goes...(you have an option I was told) Ob/psych 4 wks apiece peds/gero/medsurg 4wks apiece (gero may be included in medsurg), Sat or late in the wk leadership (night course), they are adding a critical thinking and test taking skill class. Also, each class being taught is suppose to be lectured by an instructor skilled in that field. Oh how nice it should have been that way from the beginning. We all would pass!!!! I spoke with my attorney and I plan on taking this a step further but I need everyone's help being whether you have graduated, in school, seasoned RN, just passed NCLEX, instructors we I need a signed petition to take to Mayor Daley or someone. If you are having demonstrations, protests please count me in. I am game. Think about it...If the students (all auditing) fail wouldn't CCC be through with all of us that are lingering behind and now they could move on with their fresh new talents and manipulate them the way they want to?? I was told that a similar incident happened in New York where the students went before their mayor complaining about Hesi and he has several hundred nursing instructors take the Hesi exam and majority failed. He threw out Hesi and told those colleges that the students who completed their courses successfully should be given their ticket to take boards. How could you expect students to pass this exam if you can't!!! Can we do that here. What do we do??? I am game. I don't have the money nor more strength. I keep looking at my children and that is my motivation but the bills keep coming in. Can someone out there pay my mortgage?? I just lost my job and so did my husband. Hell I lost mine while on leave at a prestigious hospital trying to acquire my RN license to go back there as a nurse. Oh I sorry they said budget cuts!!! At least as a nurse I knew I could probably get a job somewhere. No one wants to hire me now and I gave them 21yrs of my life. I'm sorry just venting. It's so unfair. My next contact is Chuck Goudie from ABC7. He is an invesitgative reporter. Maybe we could give him something. I want to get something done before I start my stressful school life again. As a nurse we are suppose to work as a team. Can we start now???

I am sorry to hear that. My classmate also failed the Hesi the 2nd time in July and will have to audit. I wish you luck :)

thanks. I am praying hard and asking for guidance. thanks again.:nurse:

Hey,

Methodist College of Nursing in Peoria does not require Hesi.

My friend taking hesi in georgia finally passed on the 6th try. They have a total of 10!!

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