First, I have to say that I joined this discussion group to add a differing opinion on certain issues, so that maybe some interesting discussions could start. What's the point in discussing an issue when everyone agrees?
Second, I can't really say that I think u-r-sleeeepy's comments were constructive or really that relevant to the discussion topic. The statement "The anesthesia care team, which involves an attending anesthesiologist supervising a nurse, provides the majority of anesthesia health care in this country", as far as I know, is a statement of fact, or am I wrong? Now, if Wake Forest's anesthesia program has that fact wrong, then you should drop them a line and let them know what an anesthesia care team really is, or that said team does not provide the majority of anesthesia health care in this country. I think they'd like to know if they have that wrong.
The following comment "A good question to ask the surgery patient post op - "Did the person giving you anesthesia have donuts on his/her breath?" ;-)" Again, not constructive. It does a great job helping to rally the troops I guess, but when it comes to creating a better relationship between CRNAs and anesthesiologists, my thought is that it just makes matters worse.
As for the economics of health care, we can tackle that topic here I guess, or we can start another discussion, but I'd love to have a good talk about that too, I imagine it would be very interesting.
Catcolalex, I'm sorry you took offense to my comments, I think you misunderstood them. First, I never said anything about the CRNAs performing any duties which were outside their scope of practice, so I imagine that comments about "massage" and "red carpet" were just supposed to make people jump on the case of the MD.
And I think I was pretty clear that I don't think it is the job of the student nurse anesthetists to kiss the feet of the resident. One, I never said that I thought nursing students should be used to relieve the residents or let the residents get interesting cases, I said CRNAs. This doesn't come from a belief that the residents are better than the CRNAs, it comes from the fact that these CRNAs are employed by a training program, so it is their job (which they get paid a good living to do) to make sure that the trainees (which, in this case I was speaking of residents, since it was the topic of the Wake Forest page, but also applies to the student nurse anesthetists) receive the best training possible. If that means that they provide breaks, give up interesting cases or relieve the residents/nursing students so they have a chance to read, then that's what they do. Their nurse anesthesia training is complete.
Finally, I have to say I think a lot of this negativity stems from the fact that many anesthesiologists have not taken their RESPONSIBILITY to supervise and direct CRNAs seriously enough, whether that be out of laziness or greed. If they're getting paid to do that, that's what they should be doing, and if they're not, shame on them. Maybe I have this all wrong too, I readily admit that I don't really have any experience with this, except reading the comments of this and other webpages. But I know I would also be angry if I thought people I worked with were getting paid to do a job they weren't doing.