DO (school) in anesthesiology or CRNA school - page 4
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Mar 14, '04Occupation: CTICU Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 193Tenesma ... Thanks for sharing. I truly appreciate your candor.
Quote from Tenesma$87,000 per year for MDA (me)
Mar 14, '04Occupation: RN, ICU, CRNA student Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 277; Likes: 2I do not live in Thailand but have been there before, it is beautiful!
Mar 14, '04Occupation: Student Specialty: surgical/trauma ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 11; Likes: 3Just an FYI, I have seen MANY DO anesthesiologists, especially in less urban areas.
Quote from zinnia27In my experience I do not recall ever seeing a DO anesthesiologist. You would be more marketable if you completed crna school or med school. Residency for anesthesia is 1 year of general internship and then you do 4 years of anesthesia. Good luck.
Mar 14, '04Occupation: Student Specialty: surgical/trauma ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 11; Likes: 3Ditto. Before I decided to go to nursing school I had already spent two years getting an associates in general science cuz I thought I wanted to go to med school. This was AFTER getting a BS in management and working in the investment world for 10 years. I even taught some gen chem & physics for one of the MCAT prep companies over the summer just before I started packing for med school but then I thought LONG and HARD. I knew I wanted to do anesthesia and I didn't want to spend the next 10-12 years in school when I knew what I wanted to do and I wasn't a "spring chicken" anymore (30-something). Actually, I wasn't even aware of CRNAs til I was going under myself for an ortho surgery one day and a really cool guy wearing an awesome grateful deadish tie-dyed scrub top introduced himself to me as "my nurse anesthetist". We talked some and I didn my own research. Long story short, I knew right then I would be taking that route. So I skipped med school, did the RN (ASN) thing, I'm finishing up my BSN at the end of this year while getting my critical care experience (yes, I have no life but my husband calls me his retirement plan). Anyway, bottom line is you gotta reach deep down and ask youself what it is you really want to do. It is a good idea to spend some time with a CRNA or in the OR. There's a great deal of autonomy as a CRNA and that's one of the big attractions for me as well as my love for chem & physics.
Quote from swaySo far these responses are good, except I think people are underestimating what it takes to get in to med school. your ASN will mean practically nothing. If you get a BSN (which you'll need), you'll still need to take a year of inorganic chem, a year of O-chem, a year of physics (the kind that uses calculus), microbiology and mollecular biology. If you're thinking "I'm already taking some of those classes for nursing school", think again. The med school councelors practically were choking back the laughter when I described my organic/biochem class I took. Same with my micro class.
Also, remember that even if you have a BSN, you'll be competing for med school slots almost exclusively with people who majored in "pre med", microbiology, or other hard sciences. An ASN to BSN isn't exactally very competitive.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but warning you not to underestimate what it takes to endure med school. CRNA school is tough, but it is short because it is so focused on a specific skill. In med school (and especially DO school) you'll spend years (and thousands of dollars) learning about things that have absolutely nothing to do with anesthesia. I think you're looking at about 10 years of full-time-hard-core school AFTER you get your BSN, and probably in the neighborhood of $200,000 of debt. That's not where I want to be when I'm in my 50s.
Mar 14, '04Occupation: CRNA Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 660; Likes: 148Quote from CRNAsoonI know a CRNA, who recently had to go on staff, because she could not find an insurer she could afford as a CRNA. She wanted to remain a locum CRNA.Tenesma ... Thanks for sharing. I truly appreciate your candor.
Mar 14, '04Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 37,336; Likes: 5,525I speak Spanish but much prefer living over here versus Mexico.
1. Cost of lving is actually cheap compared to many other places but not why I chose it over here. I have a three bedroom penthouse, all hardwood or marble floors, separate breakfast room, 5 bathrooms, two large terraces plus a balcony, about 240 square meters, for approximately $1500 per month INCLUDING all utilities. (telephone, air cond., water,garbage, etc) Have a swimming pool on the 6th floor of my building and a gym on the 6th floor.
2. In terms of working as a nurse in a hospital, forget it. You would have to take a licensing exam over here and it is only given in Thai. The salaries here are quite low, in comparison to the US for nurses, approx $350-400 per month. But they get their housing paid for and meals at the hospital for free.
3. I actually own and operate a school over here.
4. Cost of food is very cheap. 2 egg omelette on the street (with tomatoes,onions, green onion, etc. for about 15 baht, which translates to about $0.35. A whole grilled fish for about $0.25 to $0.75 depending on the type of fish. You can purchase 30 eggs here for about $1.50. Still not eating chicken at the moment because of the bird flu problem, though eggs are okay. I make my puppies pork chops every day, 2 nice size ones for about $0.60. Vegetables are extremely cheap. Fruits too. And right form the farm overnight, not on a boat for a few weeks.
5. I have had an apt in my same building for about 5 years, love the service there, plus I can see my terrace form my office, so it works out better for me right now instead of purchasing. You can rent a large one bedroom in my building for about $600, about 1000 square feet.
Hope that this helps. Feel free to send me a PM or an e-mail to
p.s. After living over here, don't think that I could ever live back in the US. I have a housekeeper 6 mornings per week, etc.)
Mar 14, '04Specialty: Anesthesia ; Joined: Oct '03; Posts: 630; Likes: 61Quote from TenesmaPardon my asking, but are you not a resident in training?$87,000 per year for MDA (me)
Mar 15, '04Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 365; Likes: 5Quote from deepznot anymorePardon my asking, but are you not a resident in training?
Mar 15, '04Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 58; Likes: 9Maybe we should start a new thread for this, but I'd be interested in knowing a little more about the ins and outs offor CRNAs. What are most of you (who are practicing) paying? Is it difficult to get?
Mar 15, '04Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 37,336; Likes: 5,525If you are directly employed by a hospital then they would cover your malpractice. If you are working on your own or doing locum tenens then you would be paying for it. The reason that I brought it up a few days ago was I don't think that many of the nurses that want to go into anesthesia have any idea about this. With the CRNA you take on much more responsibility and with that goes liability. And the insurance rates are continuing to go up.
Whether the hospitals will continue to pay the malpractice 10 years from now is another story all together. These are things that need to be looked at long and hard. Not just the money that you will get, but also what your expenses can be and probably will be with the changes coming down in health care. . Insurance is one reason that many OB docs have gotten out of delivering babies, some were paying over $150,000 per year just for insurance.
Hope that this helps to open some eyes out there.
Mar 16, '04Occupation: student nurses, BSN students, Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 819; Likes: 27Doesn't the AANP offer some kind of "pool" insurance for CRNA's ? If not perhaps CRNA's should consider starting one thereby eliminating the "middleman" insurance company. How much coverage do hospitals require the independently practicing CRNA to have anyway? My approach might be to carry the minimun insurance required (many attorneys will tell you that good liability insurence just makes you a "juicy target" ) and then keep most of my assets off shore, in various trusts and other difficult to access instruments. In any case this subject just UNDERSCORES the importance of tort reform for this industry.
Mar 16, '04Occupation: ICU Nurse Joined: Feb '02; Posts: 386; Likes: 5I think you meant to say AANA. And yes, they do offer their own liability insurance through a provider.
$87000 for an MDA seems impressive. I imagine your group pays that insurance as an operating cost?
The last time I heard about laibility insurance for a CRNA, it was somewhere less than $10 000. But don't quote me, I'm sure I am wrong.
Mar 16, '04Occupation: student nurses, BSN students, Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 819; Likes: 27Yes, but $10,000 for how much insurance? What is the typical coverage amount that is mandated for CRNA's to operate on their own? Also, is "self insurance" an option my family used to maintain a bond with the state for a 100k or so in lieu of auto insurance, is this an option?