CAT & CAA's...help!!!

rukiddingme · Oct 12, 2010

Yes, we do short summaries - and reference to chart information, the interviews, and any statements by staff that are related.

Magaly63 · Oct 15, 2010

Also having trouble with CAAS.....software remains problematic.... is anyone aware of "sample" CAAs that can be used for reference?

The CAAs from our software do not pull any information and navigating them takes forever.

Thanks

1lanarn · Oct 15, 2010

I am also having a lot of trouble getting the hang of the CAAs and CATs. Not sure what is the best way to complete them. We have been printing off the worksheets and using those but it seems a big waste of trees and time. Not sure what our government was thinking, (or not). Nothing is qicker or easier and the discharge assessments are the most problematic.

rukiddingme · Oct 16, 2010

Many of the CAA's on our software program are 3 pages long - talk about wasted paper. Just add all those to the comprehensive assessment, and the care plans and you have alot of paper from just one assessment.

susanthomas1954 · Oct 17, 2010

The paper is very problematic, IMHO. We are not printing anything except the actual plan of care. We have paper charts, no EMR's yet, and the thought of cramming another 60 pages for a full assessment and CAA's into it, is just not feasible. What is everyone else with paper records doing. It looks like a lot of people are printing these, but I can't bring myself to do it.

NurseMomDori · Oct 17, 2010

We are printing the MDS 4 pages to a sheet. You get 4 small pages but you can still read the print and it saves a ton of paper! Our state (Montana) survey office said it is okay for us to place "See IPN dated 10/05/10, DW (initials)" in the CAA documentation location and do a summary of the CAAs. I do that anyway, so it eliminates duplication. Noone looks at the CAAs anyway except on a state survey. As long as you cover all of the info in your IPN you are providing the necessary documentation. Using the CAA roms means you have to print them out and keep them with the MDS if you use paper charting. What a waste of time and PAPER! Just cover it in the IPN.

meghan61 · Nov 17, 2010

The AANAC website has the CAAs in Word or PDF format. It looks like a checklist for the triggers.

golflinda2214 · Nov 17, 2010

Your timing is not correct. The MDS is due for total completion 14 days after the ARD, as are the CAA's, but can be done earlier. Only on a new admit must the MDS and CAA's be completed by the 14th day of the admission to the facility. (Admission date +13 days.) SCSA must be completed by date of determination (ARD)+14 days. Go to the chart on page 2-15 of the RAI manual. Yes, I am doing the check marks and writing where my "evidence"is and the date of the "evidence", so if it was a nurse's nate that said the res. was SOB,then I simply put the date of that note. A short summary is all I am writing at the end of each CAA, and sometimes I refer to other CAA's that also have the documentation they are looking for. I am starting to gain confidence in the process, but I still don't LIKE it. Too much wasted time for me!

mdecastronp · Nov 17, 2010

Does anyone have any good info on the CAT & CAA for 3.0? Our corp office wants us to use the forms in RAI to do the CAA's with....talk about labor intensive!!! Are most of you doing short summaries with references to data location in the chart? Have I understood the schedule correctly...the MDS and the CAA's are all due by the ARD date?? :devil:Our careplan software does not intergrate properly with the MDS software and this has turned into a nightmare! There are only 2 of us in the MDS office and we have 162 beds. We had around 12 admits and d/c at change over plus all the new one's since. I feel like we are drowning...plus our MDS software is not fully functional yet!!! Any info would help!

That's too bad that your corporate office makes you do the 4-6 pages of CAAs. CMS does not endorse the CAAs but merely uses it as a recommended format, if your company is not using evidence based assessment. There are a lot of talks on when to use or not use the CAAs. I have been in CMS training and they specifically do not mandate the use of the CAAs as long as "this is specified in your policy" and that "your assessments are evidence, expert tested assessments". This is also indicated on Chapter 4 of RAI manaual. Request your company to send you the policy on CAA documentation, if it is not specified, I would not worry about it. Indicate the location of your information on Section V and do a narrative. However, I will caution you on not using the CAAs forms, if your company has not adapted the use of evidence based assessment and practice.

CAAs requires clinical cirtical thinking analysis to draw the conclusion from it aside from having to check the forms. I have updated all our company policies, including the RAI and CAAs to eliminate the use of the CAAs forms but updated all our company assessments to evidence based practice and clinically tested forms. Having to do this eliminated having all my MDS coordinators in answering the CAAs forms. My policies have been tested on surveys prior to MDS 3.0 implementation and my bldgs had the most of 5 total deficiencies no more than "D" with either 1 or 2 nursing service deficiencies! I feel your pain... Goodluck!

NurseMommyRN · Nov 21, 2010

Good luck to you. I"m a brand new MDS coordinator, too. I stepped down from a Unit Manager position and am loving it. However, the CAAs are driving me crazy. I only had 9 days of training before the experienced MDS coordinator left, so I'm kind of floating on my own. Nobody seems to know how to do the CAAs in my building. Some people are just pulling triggers from the CAA worksheet and restating the Care Plan in the CAA summary. It seems very redundant.

I would love to find a way to quickly do a CAA summary. Right now, I would rather do 20 short assessments versus one large one.

katoline · Nov 21, 2010

I wish I had time to do these like they are supposed to be done. As it is AM mtg., clinical rounds, and corporate mtgs/teleconfernces and inservices leave me three hours a day if i am lucky. unless of course i stay late and come in early which i do, but have other responsibilities as well. with people coming and going, coming and going, not being able to open assessments without completing the prior one, i feel like a hamster on a wheel. :uhoh3: