what can u say about doctors taking-up nursing

suzanne4, RN · Apr 24, 2004

But then what are you saying about all of the nurses from the Philippines who are leaving to go to work in the US, Australia, or Europe...............Is it not the for the same premise, to take care of themselves better? I have been a nurse in the US for over 25 years and now live over here in Thailand trying to make a change for the better with the healthcare system, slowly, one day at a time.

People need to be able to make a choice as to what they want to do......

and yes, I am in contact with physicians in the Philippines who are in the process of making the change. Also, take into consideration that if a physician is lucky enough to get a residency in the US, he/she must return to their home country for a minimum of two years after, before being allowed to return to the US. This is waived only for special cases. And then they have to go through the USMLE exams before even being considered to be able to return. However, as a nurse, you are granted a green card, permanent residency, almost as soon as you complete the appropriate exams including English. There will always be nurses that want to go to medical school and change to other professions, why can't physicians? Everyone shoud have a choice.................perhaps governments will make it better for their doctors to stay. Look at the work hours that many physicians are working where you are? I personally could not work as a nurse here in Thailand, they actually get scheduled for all three shifts in each week, at the whim of the manager, and it is considered normal, the way that it has always been done. I would like to change that also, but things move slowly. I have been out in the real world for much longer than you....................wait until after you are working for awhile.............................I think that you will look at things differently.

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elkpark · Apr 24, 2004

I think also of the many people who post on this site, asking about how much money can they make as nurses, and which are the best-paid specialties? It seems like many of the people who are interested in going into nursing here in the US are largely interested in the money. I think also of the many foreign nurses who post here, asking about how they can come to work in the US because they know they will make much more money than they can at home. Is it wrong for them to want to better themselves and their families? You say that you are already a BSN graduate -- were you planning on donating your services for the betterment of society, and working for free? I doubt it ... Did you not go to nursing school to create a better future for yourself? It is a shame that economic conditions in some other countries have created more competition in nursing programs, but, as you said, people are free to make their own choices in life. You stated, "i don't think it's clean and proper to jump over into the other if you're taste wasn't been satisfied with what u have... ," but many people change careers here in the US, for many different reasons. Some nurses here choose to go to med school and become physicians, or go to law school and become attorneys. Should they not be allowed to, because they started out as nurses?

Suzanne4 makes a good point -- if the appeal of nursing in the US does drain other countries of their physicians, then the other countries will have to make it more attractive for their physicians to stay "home" and practice medicine ... It's called the law of supply and demand. :)

It is a difficult situation, though, and I don't know of any simple or easy answers. Best wishes for your career choices (whatever they may be!) :balloons:

elkpark · Apr 24, 2004

I think also of the many people who post on this site, asking about how much money can they make as nurses, and which are the best-paid specialties? It seems like many of the people who are interested in going into nursing here in the US are largely interested in the money. I think also of the many foreign nurses who post here, asking about how they can come to work in the US because they know they will make much more money than they can at home. Is it wrong for them to want to better themselves and their families? You say that you are already a BSN graduate -- were you planning on donating your services for the betterment of society, and working for free? I doubt it ... Did you not go to nursing school to create a better future for yourself? It is a shame that economic conditions in some other countries have created more competition in nursing programs, but, as you said, people are free to make their own choices in life. You stated, "i don't think it's clean and proper to jump over into the other if you're taste wasn't been satisfied with what u have... ," but many people change careers here in the US, for many different reasons. Some nurses here choose to go to med school and become physicians, or go to law school and become attorneys. Should they not be allowed to, because they started out as nurses?

Suzanne4 makes a good point -- if the appeal of nursing in the US does drain other countries of their physicians, then the other countries will have to make it more attractive for their physicians to stay "home" and practice medicine ... It's called the law of supply and demand. :)

It is a difficult situation, though, and I don't know of any simple or easy answers. Best wishes for your career choices (whatever they may be!) :balloons:

yousev · Apr 25, 2004

Our eyes were focused on different lingoes… of different problems, solutions down to innovations and such researches. Unknowingly, we often forget the most indispensable thing on earth and that is our integrity and sincerity in everything we do today.

We are now in a fast-changing world where everything is almost seen, sometimes it’s hard as one could ever imagine. Everybody is busy wanting to have something for life… for their subsistence… and in our existence, everything is a bout. There is a sense behind those written words.

Truly that a person is free from taking what road he wants. But what about those people who don’t have satisfaction in what they have? In what they have been? In what they are doing? Questions arise amidst my failing mind and heart to understand.

If all people submit their professions for the sake of greener pasteur, what about those people that need them the most? What about those beings wanting not just their service but also their heart for service? I believe that one can never render enough service if it is not deeply rooted into his heart nor can never be happy. Given the chance to revise dictionaries, I will exclude the word " in-demand " for it’s just but a result of society’s dictates – is somewhat a shambles.

I’m not convincing myself neither do I care to find by feeling because of the word " in-demand", everyone is bounded by this virtual blindness out of fear and the vastness of life seems no meaning, soundless and uncompensated. Maybe happiness is perfection personified or can be a dream come true. I know happiness means enjoying the simple pleasures of life. But where exactly can it be found? Considering that everything in this world is not simple anymore, not even just at once or never will it be.

I, then believe and imagine that if all people will never be satisfied or maybe failed to know and feel what they really wanted to have, not even a dying reptile could be saved… How much more our future dreamers????

yousev · Apr 25, 2004

Our eyes were focused on different lingoes… of different problems, solutions down to innovations and such researches. Unknowingly, we often forget the most indispensable thing on earth and that is our integrity and sincerity in everything we do today.

We are now in a fast-changing world where everything is almost seen, sometimes it’s hard as one could ever imagine. Everybody is busy wanting to have something for life… for their subsistence… and in our existence, everything is a bout. There is a sense behind those written words.

Truly that a person is free from taking what road he wants. But what about those people who don’t have satisfaction in what they have? In what they have been? In what they are doing? Questions arise amidst my failing mind and heart to understand.

If all people submit their professions for the sake of greener pasteur, what about those people that need them the most? What about those beings wanting not just their service but also their heart for service? I believe that one can never render enough service if it is not deeply rooted into his heart nor can never be happy. Given the chance to revise dictionaries, I will exclude the word " in-demand " for it’s just but a result of society’s dictates – is somewhat a shambles.

I’m not convincing myself neither do I care to find by feeling because of the word " in-demand", everyone is bounded by this virtual blindness out of fear and the vastness of life seems no meaning, soundless and uncompensated. Maybe happiness is perfection personified or can be a dream come true. I know happiness means enjoying the simple pleasures of life. But where exactly can it be found? Considering that everything in this world is not simple anymore, not even just at once or never will it be.

I, then believe and imagine that if all people will never be satisfied or maybe failed to know and feel what they really wanted to have, not even a dying reptile could be saved… How much more our future dreamers????

suzanne4, RN · Apr 25, 2004

You have just finished your training. Do you know exactly where you are going to be five years from now, or exactly what area of nursing that you will be working in? No one can answer that right now, not even you.................

If you would meet and fall in love with someone from another country; are you willing to tell me that you would never give up your nursing career in the Philippines to move to another country? All of us were and still are quite idealistic when we finish school and are out to save the world, but things change for all of us. Families come, as well as responsibilities.

:balloons:

suzanne4, RN · Apr 25, 2004

You have just finished your training. Do you know exactly where you are going to be five years from now, or exactly what area of nursing that you will be working in? No one can answer that right now, not even you.................

If you would meet and fall in love with someone from another country; are you willing to tell me that you would never give up your nursing career in the Philippines to move to another country? All of us were and still are quite idealistic when we finish school and are out to save the world, but things change for all of us. Families come, as well as responsibilities.

:balloons:

Rep · Apr 25, 2004

I have nothing against doctors taking up nursing because they want to move to the US someday. They have all the right to take it if they really want to become nurses someday.

What is disappointing is that this group tend to get special treatment from the schools and clinical instructors at the sacrifice of those regular students who have to toil for four years to get their BSN degree.

The doctors have only 1 and a half year to get their degree. What is also disappointing is that these students ( doctors ) never undergo the same training that we have as regular nurses..

I am a BSN-RN. But presently working as a pharmaceutical sales representative. I get in contact with doctors everyday. In my city, there are about 300 doctors here, there are about 90 taking up nursing. In my talks with them, they told me that they didn't know how to do bedmaking. Or give spongebath to patients. They only know a few of bedside nursing.

When they have nursing assignments like how to chart a SOAPIE. Guess who are doing the assignments? Their nurses at their clinics. Even their NPI notebooks are filled up by nurses. I am witness to these incidents in my visits to doctors' clinics.

Yousev is right. The Philippines Nursing Board has revised its examination format just to make it a little difficult to the doctors to the detriment of the regular students. When doctors started taking up nursing 4 years ago, no regular BSN was able to place top at the exams.

As for the financial situation. For goverment employed doctors, the salaries are not so good. But for those who have private practices, its different. These are the doctors who have two or three cars, with big beautiful houses and can go vacationing in Europe or the States annually.

I believe that doctors who will go into nursing because of monetary reason will not last long. Once they get their green cards, they will leave nursing and look for other jobs.

Another think to ponder. Here in the Philippines, doctors do not look kindly to nurses. To them nurses are just servants to carry out their orders. They will not ask the nurses for opinions regarding patients care. They don't want competent nurses handling their patients but slaves who are willing to do their bidding. And that is a FACT! :angryfire

Rep · Apr 25, 2004