BSN to DNP

serenity · Jun 16, 2021

Thanks for all the feedback everyone! After much thought and feedback from people around me, I have decided to go back for my MSN FNP! I do have a small interest in teaching but that’s wayyyy down the line and I know I can become an adjunct professor while getting my doctorate degree! I’m looking to start school possibly this coming fall or Spring!

SopranoKris, MSN, RN, NP · Jun 17, 2021

On 12/8/2020 at 11:53 AM, DrCOVID said:

Despite all the hate in this forum for the DNP, it will give you extra clinical time and 1-2 years to prepare. You will also have leverage over other MSNs and won't have to return if something is required in the future for the MSNs to stubborn to complete an extra year or two or capstone which nearly all "doctors" have to do.

Not true at all. The DNP does not give you extra clinical time. The DNP "clinical" component is your DNP project. You don't get any extra medical training that an MSN NP has. MSNs are "stubborn", just refuse to pay so much extra in student loans for so little return on investment. For those of us who are older, we have a short window to pay back those student loans before retirement. And even if they did make DNP mandatory, they would grandfather in existing MSNs. But just as the push for BSNs instead of ADNs, I don't see the DNP becoming a requirement just yet.

DrCOVID, DNP · Jun 20, 2021

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And even if they did make DNP mandatory, they would grandfather in existing MSNs.

No, institutions don't grandfather you a degree. DNP is a degree.

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You don't get any extra medical training that an MSN NP has.

I have essentially two years more than the typical MSN in didactic and clinical time. DNP capstone is done in a clinic fyi. I learn about psychiatric disease and medications in my project.

You can argue all you want that clinical time doesn't matter, and it doesn't. Not even 10k *residency* hours makes you a better provider. Treatment outcomes are actually based on your therapeutic alliance and empathy than anything else:

https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/therapeutic-alliance-part-1

https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/2020/3/19/getting-better-results-from-your-patients-as-a-psychotherapist?rq=empathy

SopranoKris, MSN, RN, NP · Jun 23, 2021

On 6/20/2021 at 5:06 PM, DrCOVID said:

No, institutions don't grandfather you a degree. DNP is a degree.

I have essentially two years more than the typical MSN in didactic and clinical time. DNP capstone is done in a clinic fyi. I learn about psychiatric disease and medications in my project.

You can argue all you want that clinical time doesn't matter, and it doesn't. Not even 10k *residency* hours makes you a better provider. Treatment outcomes are actually based on your therapeutic alliance and empathy than anything else:

https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/therapeutic-alliance-part-1

https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/2020/3/19/getting-better-results-from-your-patients-as-a-psychotherapist?rq=empathy

I never argued "clinical time doesn't matter". However, the program I went to did NOT have extra clinical time for DNP. The "clinical" time for the DNP was solely related to implementing the DNP project. It was not rounding in the hospital, assessing patients, diagnosing, etc. It is NOT the same "clinical" time as the actual hands-on clinicals you do when you get the MSN. I don't know what school you went to, but if you look at the curriculum for most dnp programs, you don't get extra medical training. You get DNP project time. And I'm talking about ACNP/FNP here, not PMHNPs.