ARROYO: Make Professionals Stay 2 years and work in the Philippines!!

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Philippine Nurses to work 2 years before leaving the country?

Sunday, August 24, 2008

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Arroyo bill to detain professionals attacked

The Philippine Nurses Association's President Dr. Leah Samaco Paquiz on Saturday expressed concern over the bill filed by Rep. Ignacio Arroyo to keep professionals, including nurses and doctors, from leaving for jobs abroad without first working in the Philippines for at least two years.

Did he file the bill because of government claims that Filipino professionals have become the bigger component of OFW deployments? If so, then he is wrong. The bigger segment is still laborers and unskilled workers.

The Philippine Medical Association expressed opposition but its vice-president did not elaborate because the PMA still had to actually learn from Arroyo what he really wants and what his proposed bill says.

The Trade Union Congress of the Philippines (TUCP) opposed Arroyo's House Bill 4580.

"We consider the bill absolutely unfair and highly discriminatory, because it singles out registered professionals," said former senator and TUCP secretary-general Ernesto Herrera.

Negros Oriental's Rep. Arroyo, the President's brother-in-law, authored the bill with the aim of discouraging Filipino professionals from leaving the country. He expressed concern that the health and education sector may end up not having enough teachers and professionals if RP graduates continue to go abroad to work for high pay.

His proposed law covers doctors, nurses, pharmacists, midwives, medical technologists, physical therapists, engineers, teachers, sailors, accountants, interior designers, nutritionists and criminologists, librarians, guidance counselors and master plumbers. These are all in the Professional Regulatory Commission's category of "registered professionals."

Herrera questioned the government's authority to restrain professionals from leaving.

He was joined by human rights lawyers interviewed by The Manila Times. They told us people couldn't be prevented to leave the country if they want to.

Herrera has submitted his, the TUCP's, position paper to the House and the Senate, petitioning the House Committee on Labor and Employment to reject Arroyo's bill.

"We have a huge glut of professionals in many sectors. In the case of nurses, the main reason they are leaving the country is because wages here are grossly inadequate. And the pay is meager, precisely because of the massive surplus of nurses. This is the law of supply and demand at work," Herrera said.

The TUCP official said preventing nurses from leaving the country would further create a huge surplus and lower their wages to a minimum.

Herrera said that nurses comprise the biggest group of professionals leaving the country. Every year, more than 21,000 Filipino nurses seek employment in the US alone.

He added that the Philippines has been producing more than 132,000 nurses every year.

Nurses' salary increase law

Dr. Paquis explained that nurses, doctors and other professionals would not leave the country is they were paid properly.

Since 2002, she said, because of, Republic Act 9173, also known as the Nursing Act of 2002, the salaries of nurses should have been not lower than the government's salary grade 15. "This is clear in Section 32 that 'in order to enhance the general welfare, commitment to service and professionalism of nurses, the minimum base pay of nurses working in public health institution shall not be lower than salary grade 15,' " she pointed out.

"It has been six years since the law was enacted. It has not been implemented," she complained.

"Under the law, a nurse in the government should be receiving a monthly salary of P16,093, but many nurses are still receiving way below this legal monthly salary. Some are receiving less than P10,000 monthly income. How do we expect these nurses to remain in government service with this kind of salary?" asked Paquiz. She points out that while salary is not the only reason why nurses serve, she recognizes that the foreign employment conditions are much better than here."

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2 years? every year, there are thousands of nurses. These nurses find it hard to be employed because hospitals don't hire that much nurse. I'm one of those many doing volunteer works and gaining nothing but just being a follower and doing what the staff nurses wanted you to do. I feel that I'm not trained to be competent in this profession. If we are to stay 2 years doing volunteer works, we will stagnate in this profession.

I am hoping that foreigner employers will have to reconsider this. We, the new graduates are very much willing to be trained, just give us the opportunity to work without that much experience. We are fast learners.

No to 2 years stay before going abroad!!!!!

The premise is wrong. Our congressman argues that: "we may not have enough teachers/professionals" if we let them go abroad. And so he proposed this bill. Wrong!!!

We have an OVERSUPPLY of professionals. Good grief. Not to allow them to leave (for 2 years) will make the glut worse.

A sign of oversupply: 1) professionals (i.e. nurses) are having a hard time looking for jobs; 2) low wages (i.e. because supply is much greater than demand).

It really feels like our public servants are making life worse for its citizens.

Specializes in Peds.

Is any kind of publicity happening to let all those would-be nurses know that their futures are seriously compromised? Or are schools still telling people that their BScN is their Golden Ticket? Is it possible for some of you who are having so much trouble finding work anywhere to communicate some of the things you've learned the hard way? I can't imagine the betrayal I'd feel if many people told me that I could go anywhere and do anything with my nursing degree and then I found out that they lied and they knew it was a lie. It was bad enough for me knowing I was graduating from one of the best nursing schools in Canada into a very depressed job market and had almost no prospect of finding work. It took me more than a year to finally be hired into a casual position which was all that was available. I feel very bad for all of you who are being groomed for something that may never happen.

what else to expect? he is an arroyo. all they know is how to make the people suffer.

:yeah::yeah::yeah: hahaha...

Specializes in Critical Care.
what else to expect? he is an arroyo. all they know is how to make the people suffer.

I dont think that's a nice thing to say. Its not that I agree with what all the politicians do, but for me, you can't say that they only want to make people suffer. Its just that, people always see the negative issues and forgets about the positive a person had done. I'm saying this because no matter how helpful I am to others, some people dont appreciate it and always sees all the negative things I've done. Now, if this happens to you, what would you feel? So its not bad to say, "all they know is how to make the people suffer."

There's always an advantage and disadvantage to everything...

all i can say is that this news is a complete nonsense.!!!!!!!:yawn:

Specializes in Critical Care.
HA! 10,000 a month. I have not met a single staff nurse who made that much. Why? Because the hospitals are nearly completely staffed by unpaid volunteers or paying for the privilege themselves nurses. A well known private hospital in N.Luzon that I know pays their staff 3,000 per month. That's a hundred pesos a day to live on. Jeepney? Nah, they have to walk. I have friends who are "volunteering" at the local Tertiary hospital who paid thousands of pesos JUST TO WORK THERE.

May I ask what year is that? The P3,000/month salary. I do know some people earning more than P10,000. From where I work, they pay P11,000 as a basic salary of a nurse on probation+ premium, overtime and others. If you have your own family or the head of the family, well I guess this is not enough or a little short on the family budget. But if you live with your family and no children to sustain, this maybe just enough.

May I ask what year is that? The P3,000/month salary. I do know some people earning more than P10,000. From where I work, they pay P11,000 as a basic salary of a nurse on probation+ premium, overtime and others. If you have your own family or the head of the family, well I guess this is not enough or a little short on the family budget. But if you live with your family and no children to sustain, this maybe just enough.

Year? 2008.

My post was facetious, to a certain degree. Sorry about the confusion, sometimes I still do that. My point was that there might be a 10,000 peso salary out there, but if someone walks into a hospital in RP, chances are they are going to run into 10 unpaid volunteers, a CI with 12 students, and a few paid at the "stipend" level (a couple/few thousand per month) before you find even a single "decently" paid staff nurse, or say 10,000 pesos.(Not decent as far as I am concerned, but ..........)

what was he thinking?I don't think he's helping the families of those professionals! theres no even a job for RNs here! after passing the NLE,you will have to wait for the hospitals to have vacancies so those who volunteered or trained will be hired & paid!

"Dr. Paquis explained that nurses, doctors and other professionals would not leave the country is they were paid properly." I strongly agree with her. Can I just say that this bill will only make more Filipino suffer.

Haha, that person who wanted to implement that law..why not let him work in a hospital that pays 1k php per month for 2 years??>=)

But I know some hospitals in Philippines that impose the rule that their nurses should complete 3 years contract before they are allowed to leave or resign. The hospital will not provide COE for those nurses who will not finish the 3 year contract. An example is PGH. Although their salary offer and incentives to nurses are the best, the contract is a bit long..

they cant force you to stay. with the tremendous amount of unemployed nurses, they will surely find a way to work abroad and be able to support their family

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