Are their med techs or aides here?Please read

Rhona · Apr 22, 2001

I was always taught that once you point is presented there is no point beating a dead horse. I can agree to disagree. I will just walk away with my BSN in Social sciences with a minor in Biology.

Thanks for the chat.

Rhona

Rhona · Apr 22, 2001

oh, and before you ask; I prefer to experience life and I don't usually brag bout my book lernin!

Rhona

nurs4kids · Apr 22, 2001

Why do you guys continue to reply to the attacks on nurses??? We know what we do, we do not have to defend our job! Obviously there is a need for attention, otherwise this wouldn't be posted on a NURSES bulletin board. By replying, you give the sought after attention.

RNPD · Apr 22, 2001

nurs4kids, you are right. I shouldn't have started this in the first place because you can't teach someone with no interest in learning. But it really hurts me when people who are uninformed think that all we do is push papers and get paid big bucks. Nursing is so important to me, and I try to teach wherever I can. I do agree with Rhona that there is no point in beating a dead horse. But I must clarify one more thing and it will be my last word on the subject.

Rhona, a "BSN" means a Bachelor of Science in Nursing. Did you already go to nursing school and fail the Board exam? I don't believe it is possible to get a "BSN" in social sciences, even with a minor in biology.

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HotSpam · Apr 22, 2001

Just wanted to jump in real quick. I love beating dead horses but I'll pick at another bone for a sec.

You mention your BSN in social sciences. You have a bachelors in science/nursing in social science? Of course if you were a bachelors prepared medical social worker I am sure you would choose to push a broom through nursing school. Give me a break.

Sorry for looking like a troll and spreading the fire. I won't re-respond and make it worse.

Rhona · Apr 22, 2001

This is just my point.You have no idea the scope of my knowledge.I could be a BSN and have a minor in Biology,or I could be an RN,or I could be joe friggin smo with no back ground in anything other than shovelling sh*T for a living. Does that make me any different than you? Absolutly not. That is my point everyone has value. And some of us on the planet are a lazy as can be. I would like an answer to this question however, When did solitare become a requirement of nursing? the reason I ask this question is while I was shoveling shit out of patients rooms and rn's were barking orders left right and center, they sure could burn a hole in the seat in front of the computer playing that game. I saw two good nurses that actually got up of their fannies and did something ,so don't tell me how wonderful the nursing profession is.There is good and bad everywhere and if this is what nursing is about,well then maybe I should hang up my cap,or is that broom and just walk away...egads people get a life. Not everything you read is real. So what then is reality and what is fantasy. For goodness I bet ya'll think this is my real name too...

Rhona

Nickli · Apr 22, 2001

Ok- I hope that this is received properly. I have been and currently am a CNA- liscensed in VA. I also have my med tech. As a med tech we usually work in either group homes or assisted living. We do all the work of normal cna's and pass pill and do charting and mars. A cna(here) must also have 12 hours a year of inservice and renew our licenses every two years( currently at 40 a pop).

Cna job discription: assist with care of teeth,mouth,grooming,care of hair,shaving, care of fingernails, and assisting with eating and dressing.

assist patients with bathing or bathes patients

assist with moving,transferrin,ambulating,and positioning patients as well assisting with the prescribed pt as directed.

take vitals and record findings-including wgt

set up and serve meals

assist patients in the use of the toilet facilities or change diapers prn

measure i&os

make beds

all this must be done on day shift for 15-20 patients. And most places you must have the up and dressed by 11 am -lunch

I have dones this for 14 years and i enjoy the chance to have interaction with the patients. I could go on to LPN or RN but the more education you have the less patients contact you have- I have seen it and talked it over with friends that have continued on.I hope this helps. I should mention that when I took the CNA course- It was 6 months at a college(only place you could take it) and my medication administration was a 2 months course thru the state. I enjoy both and we too are nurses just as much as they are because we do patient care too and have to take classes and boards

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Blessed Be

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essarge · Apr 22, 2001

Rhona,

I have done all of the above and am currently in school to get my BSN. You are absolutely right. All human beings have value, whether they are intelligent and well educated or not. I'm really sorry that you feel the way you do...perhaps you had a bad experience with a nurse, but please do not "stereotype" all nurses.

I hope that some day you will look back on this opinion that you have and see how small minded and prejudicial it is. I hope that no one has stereotyped you in any particular category (or perhaps that is what made you form these one sided opinions)

chili2641 · Apr 23, 2001

Rhona,

Keep standing up for yourself. You have passion and you will go far. I encourage you to pursue your goals and ignore any and all negative comments. Working on the bottom can be a great motivator Good luck with school!

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Nursing assistant

theboss · Apr 23, 2001

Hello nurse4kids,

you are absolutly correct, but we all know how i feel about dead horses so, here it is, how stupid is it to come on a nurse board and cut down the same profession you say you want to be a part of ?? well pretty dang stupid !!If you think all nurses sit around and due nothing then you have a rude awakening, it may have been so where you worked but not true for all. How narrow minded to think all nurses are the same !!!!If you want to go into nursing you sure are starting out on the wrong foot, grow up!! And, as for med aides i have to agree that it is not enough education to understand how medications work and interact. We have med aides in oklahoma and they too only get 2 weeks training and that is certainly not enough training.. I may get crap for this one but ya know this is a nurse BB to say whats on your mind !

You go with your bad selves RNPD ,HOT SPAM

Welcome essarge

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Malee38 · Apr 24, 2001

Wow, after reading this post and all the replies, I was left with a tangled mess of emotions and thoughts. Being an optimist I tried to look at all sides of the matter..starting with myself and feelings that this all provoked. I am a RN and have been in nursing for 20+ years, so I started at the beginning.

Cleaning other peoples houses: my only dream was to be a nurse...and a LPN at that. But, children not allowing I settled for ....

Private setting: back then you didn't have to certified to be an aide. Being told everything I could not do I still wanted that...

LPN...finally I made it. I got to do tons of patient care, chat with the patients, touch them, and listen to them standing still. Taking a charge nurse position in a nursing home, I learned how much my precious license was on the line. Not only did I have to be careful of all I did, but everything my aides did, and everything housekeeping did. If anyone of these groups screwed up including myself...I would ultimately be held responsible. Not satisfied and thinking I would be more indepedent and autonomous I went after my ....

RN...and thats when I fully realized that my role as "nurse" was not at all what I thought it was as hosekeeper, aide, or LPN. The days I could actually do hands on would be few, that task had now shifted to documenting that it had been , documented, deligated, done, and why? Using the correct nusring diagnosis and covering all potentially legal pitfalls. Now I listen on the go. Prayed that a new admit did not have too extensive a history...because my mind was working like an adding machine counting the hours careplanning.

I appreciated housekeeping that did a thorough job, it meant not having to explain why I didn't have time to call them back. I appreciate the LPNs that transcribed med orders correctly, it meant not having to explain a drug interaction. I appreciated the med techs that gave meds using their own initiative to report a possible problem.

Nursing in the professional sense has turned into such a legal mine-field. I sometimes long for the days of putting away the mop bucket and going home without looking back, of giving a hug to my private patient and saying see ya tomorrow without a second thought, and I even miss the days of wondering if everything was signed off as an LPN. Because now, my mind stays in constant motion as to whether or not I got all the triage calls documented, all the docs notified w/critical labs and their orders documented, all the social workers informed, all the calls to families returned, all the refill scripts called in....and pray that I got all my notes gathered when I arrive home so I can finish my charting. The long and short of it...I have ran the gammit of thinking the grass was greener on the other side. The more education you have the more you are held accountable. The higher your degree the more legal responsibility. But looking back and presently, I am so thankful of the dedicated hardworking teams that help all of us to be who we are....NO ONE IS AN ISLAND!!

theboss · Apr 24, 2001

No but someone has to be the strong tree to lean on !!! If you dont work as a team it makes it harder for all..