Are those fish bowl helmet things I keep seeing European bipap masks?

[Anonymous666]

You know, the ones that look like the pt has a fish bowl in their head?

If so, I think they look cool. Less claustrophobic, and they have a zipper at the front for taking meds ?

[adventure_rn, MSN, NP]

Could it be the PAPR machines that staff are supposed to use if they haven’t been fit-tested for N-95s (or if the hospital runs out)? They look kind of fish-bowl/astronaut-mask-peds.

In peds we do have bi-pap masks to cover the baby’s entire face because they babies can’t follow instructions to keep a nasal mask on their noses. I’m sure those masks are super claustrophobic since they start to fog up, and then you can’t see anything (which is kind of how I imagine the PAPRs, unfortunately.

[Anonymous666]

1 hour ago, adventure_rn said:

Could it be the PAPR machines that staff are supposed to use if they haven’t been fit-tested for N-95s (or if the hospital runs out)? They look kind of fish-bowl/astronaut-mask-peds.

In peds we do have bi-pap masks to cover the baby’s entire face because they babies can’t follow instructions to keep a nasal mask on their noses. I’m sure those masks are super claustrophobic since they start to fog up, and then you can’t see anything (which is kind of how I imagine the PAPRs, unfortunately.

Yeah, kinda like the thing you wear for N95 fitting, but air-tight, obviously.

Looks like it’s some kind of non-invasive mechanical ventilation

https://www.Google.com/search?q=european+icu+bipap+mask&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjhk72K4anoAhWBCVMKHaJtAkgQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=european+icu+bipap+mask&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3...10387.12225..12982...1.0..0.85.384.5......0....1.Ztk_l8J75UE&ei=oRV1XqG_HYGTzAKi24nABA&bih=553&biw=375&client=safari&prmd=sinv&hl=en-us#imgrc=jgJQFOZfYfxYtM

[adventure_rn, MSN, NP]

25 minutes ago, Anonymous666 said:

Yeah, kinda like the thing you wear for N95 fitting, but air-tight, obviously.

Looks like it’s some kind of non-invasive mechanical ventilation

https://www.Google.com/search?q=european+icu+bipap+mask&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjhk72K4anoAhWBCVMKHaJtAkgQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=european+icu+bipap+mask&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3...10387.12225..12982...1.0..0.85.384.5......0....1.Ztk_l8J75UE&ei=oRV1XqG_HYGTzAKi24nABA&bih=553&biw=375&client=safari&prmd=sinv&hl=en-us#imgrc=jgJQFOZfYfxYtM

Yikes.

This is just speculation, but it seems like the kind of equipment that they wouldn’t usually use, but would resort to if they didn’t have anything else due to the shortage...

I guess it also has the added benefit of creating a mini ‘isolation room’ around the patient’s head (vs a cannula)..... can you imagine coughing/sneezing in it though.....

Reminds me of the oxy-hoods we use for babies (basically a big plastic box with a 100% O2 hose attached and a head hole). It doesn’t actually give any pressure, though, just O2; therefore, it isn’t ‘non-invasive ventilation’ so much as an alternative to a cannula.

https://images.app.goo.gl/wb7zH65CZMnnMt6a8

[MunoRN, RN]

I'm still not clear what we're talking about, are there specific pictures to point to?

[Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN]

1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

I'm still not clear what we're talking about, are there specific pictures to point to?

[Kitiger, RN]

Maybe it's oxygen under a little pressure: CPAP seems most likely.

[Wuzzie]

[Anonymous666]

7 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

Right. So it’s a European CPAP mask.

Unless these have hit the states in the last year.