ACN or clinical managers 12 hr shifts

[NurseMal09, BSN]

I’m applying to a clinical management job which traditionally has always been a M-F 8-6 type of job, I am approaching the administration team about making it a more flexible position with 12 hour shifts! Does anyone have any experience in which the ACM or clinical manager is working this type of schedule? I work for HCA and don’t know if this is an acceptable practice anywhere?

[klone, MSN, RN]

I'm assuming you want to work 12s so that you will only have to be there 3 days a week?

Facilities typically want management there 5 days a week. Also, typically management is salaried, rather than hourly, so many of us are there 10-12 hours/day anyway (but, still 5 days a week).

[SummerGarden, BSN, MSN, RN]

OP: I agree with the above. However, my guess is that the nurse manager role will be shared. I have experienced this in one facility, where there were two department managers for the departments being covered by one service director. Although the two of them did not work 12s, I suppose 12s could have worked out for them and two more department managers?

For example, there were ANMs on three shifts covering two departments and the two department managers had direct reports (ANMs) who covered two shifts. The department managers split the ANMs on the PM shift. Thus, 12s could have worked to cover 5 days a week with 4 department managers (2-36 and 2-24 hour).

I wonder if in the 12 hour scenario the staff are 12s and the ACMs/ANMs are 12s too? How are the front-line staff and ACMs/ANMs scheduled to work?

[SummerGarden, BSN, MSN, RN]

17 minutes ago, SummerGarden said:

Thus, 12s could have worked to cover 5 days a week with 4 department managers (2-36 and 2-24 hour).

Correction:

Thus, 12s could have worked to cover 5 days a week with 2 department managers (1-36 and 1-24 hour).

[jrt4]

I used to work for HCA. They will say "sure, 12 hours M-F"...ok. Can you do weekends and holidays as well? By the way here are 3 more departments you can manage. haha kind of kidding.

[jrt4]

On a serious note I did work for an organization that allowed the Managers and Assistant Manager to do 4 10 hour shifts a week. One of you had to be there M-F and if you were off a day and something came up you had to be available. They knew we were putting in way too many hours and even on your "day off" you were still checking email and working on projects from home most of the time. It was nice though.