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EMS has gotten pretty frequent with bringing in asystole> 25 min (CPR the entire time with no response to any intervention.) Said person is dead and long gone. We drag in the crew, do a cardiac ultrasound to confirm lack of activity, and call it. And then.... Guess who is stuck with all of the lengthy paperwork and prep? Can't time of death be determined in the field?? I realize there are special circumstances or that this can occur occasionally...but it seems they are trying to pass the buck :/ Thoughts or experiences with this? Is there a legal way to tell EMS to not be lame and just call it before the piles of paperwork have to be done on our end? It's not that I'm inhumane, but for the time being, that body takes up a room. Time has to be spent away from my other conscious patients to deal with family, lifenet, etc etc.

How do you deal with the AttendingMD who works up a f*****g papercut and puts in orders for blood cultures an hour after the fact? When (professionally) questioned about his rationale, he tries to play the "I'm more intellectual than you" card. It's gotten to the point that I'm getting a stool, urine, sputum, strep, wet prep, blood cultures, an ekg, peak flow, abgs, and dopplering for pedal pulses on the 18 yr old with n/v x 1 day who is sitting in bed talking on the phone and chowing down on funions.

Even the more experienced RNs get extremely irritated by him. I don't really mind when things are slow, or I feel said testing is warranted. However, when we're working up a stubbed toe and I have someone near dead next door...I have trouble dealing with said person.

FYI: Aside from these little things, I'm really enjoying my time in the ED and am in awe of how knowledgable my coworkers are. :) I only hope to have the knowledge base some day.

Specializes in ER, Trauma, ICU/CCU/NICU, EMS, Transport.

It depends on the local EMS protocols and state EMS laws. Even in some states where a death can be declared in the field, the local medical director may not allow it for their particular service.

Specializes in ER/Trauma.

Remember, they ain't dead till they're warm and dead! :clown:

Sounds like you might work with Nurse K...
God bless her! :yeah: I loev me some Nurse K.

Dr. Big Workups are bad enough. Worse still are Dr. BigWorkups who will just look at the CC on the tracking board and order stuff on the pt!!

Yes. You read that right. Doctors who order stuff on pts. without even assessing them! :rolleyes:

I feel your pain.

cheers,

Specializes in Pediatrics, ER.
Sounds like you might work with Nurse K...

That's my favorite blog in the whole world. I live for Dr. Big Workup posts!!

Specializes in CCT.

EMS is bound by whatever local policy is in place. It's not the individual medics fault, but...

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Transporting asystolic patients IS lame. No lesser an authority than the AHA has stated this. The initial 20 minutes of a medical arrest are going to be identical whether they take place in a resucitation bay or the living room floor. In addition a patient who is asystolic after 20 minutes with an ETCO2 value of

As for passing the buck, there is a percentage of my profession that wants nothing resembling responsibility for the decisions they make. Therefore hauling dead folks to the ED is a way to not have to take responsibility. Further, some less than above-board companies (private and public) encourage transport because the reimbursement for transport is higher than working an arrest on-scene.

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Want to make a difference? Find out who the local EMS governing body is and present them with the evidence. We've been terminating resuscitations in the field for five years now without any issues. It's better for the patient (better CPR), better for the family (no false hope), better for the EMS providers (no code 3 transport while doing CPR) and better for the ED.

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