NVCC Class of 2013 Meet and Greet + Q&A - page 6

Hello All, I wanted to start a new thread for everyone who was accepted (and because the other one was getting really long). :) If you could please share some information about yourself and any... Read More

  1. by   NOVA EMT
    Congratulations to all of you who were accepted to the NVCC Associate in Nursing Degree program and began the program in August of 2011. I am contemplating applying for the traditional 4-semester program and need some more information to help me make my decision. Would someone please answer any or all of the following questions?

    1. How many applications were submitted and how many applicants were accepted into the traditional program? What was the overall acceptance rate? 50%?
    2. How many days per week on average do you have to attend class and/or perform clinical rotations. Monday through Friday? Is it four days per week or five days per week? Is there usually one day per week when there are no classes or clinical rotations, such as Fridays?
    3. What has the attrition rate been so far after the first semester? Of those who have been removed from the program, how many left because of academic failure, how many left because of clinical failure, and how many voluntarily dropped out of the program?
    4. What are the demographics of the majority of those applicants who were accepted? Did most of them already have undergraduate college degrees? Did most of them have licensure and previous experience in a health care field? If so, what health care fields? What is the percentage of women and men currently in the program?

    I would appreciate any feedback that you could provide. Thanks.
  2. by   andi2011
    Hello all -- Congradulations to all who got accepted. I am applying for the Fall 2012 Traditional Nursing program. I was wondering if anyone had an suggestions for me as i begin to put together my application and complete the TEAS test. Also what was the percentage of people who got accepted?

    Any and all information would be great.
  3. by   NOVA EMT
    To andi2011,

    No one has answered my February 13th post which includes the same question, so I will share with you what I have ascertained so far. I stopped by the nursing program office to check it out and to get some answers to questions that were not addressed by the FAQs published on the NVCC website. The faculty would not disclose how many applications that the traditional ADN program usually receives every year, but they did say that it has about a 50% acceptance rate. Since there are a maximum of 200 seats available in the program every year, this means that it receives about 400 applications. The traditional ADN program graduates about 150 new nurses each year, which is an average 25% attrition rate over the two years of the program. It appears that most of the attrition occurs in the first semester, so a nursing student who completes the first semester will likely graduate from the program.

    FYI, I am currently taking the science prerequisites so that I will be eligible to apply to the traditional ADN program in May 2013.

    Good luck with your application.
  4. by   excitedtobehere
    Hi NOVA EMT,

    I think you mistook everyone’s silence for rudeness, but the reality is, they don’t share this information with the students, nor are they obligated to. All we can do is notice when someone stops coming to class, or when a student readily shares that they are having issues passing. We can piece together information, but that doesn’t necessarily lead to the right conclusions. I will try to answer to the best of my ability though.
    1. The acceptance rate to the program will vary depending upon how many people applied, therefore this number changes every year. It will not necessarily be indicative of how many people apply in 2013, so something to keep in mind. 50% sounds about right for my particular class.
    2. For the first semester, I was able to get a schedule that had me going to school 3-days-a-week (and I had an ideal schedule). I had class on Mondays and Tuesdays, and clinical on Wednesday from 7-3. The clinical is only 8 weeks, and then a new one kicks in, so the clinical day/time could change half way through the semester, depending on what you get. Some people had to go to school 4-days-a-week. Honestly, it depends on the schedule you get, and the clinical portion is assigned for the first semester, so you get what you get. I am now in second semester, and go to school 3 days a week again, with lectures on Monday, lab on Tuesday, and clinical on Wed.
    3. Attrition rates… I see how you arrived at 25%, but I’ll tell you why that number is misleading... A lot of people do drop out or fail first semester, and it’s the same if not higher second semester. The reason 25% is not accurate is because they add the LPN students to our class in the second semester, so the number they give you as “graduating RN” numbers includes the extra people added to our program later on. Does that make sense? The LPN’s are not included in that 200 number that they give you for RN program numbers. They also add in people that failed maternity or psych last year (if they have room) again skewing the numbers that graduate. From what I’m hearing for this year, we don’t have any additional space for prior year students this spring, so they may offer something in the summer for them, or they may have to reapply to the program. It really sucks. But now you know it’s higher than 25%, although I couldn’t tell you what that number is. It’s a difficult program. And although “150 graduating” is 25% of 200, bear in mind they’ve been adding LPN’s and prior year students that failed into the holes created as people drop out, and these people weren’t included in the 200 that started.
    4. Academic vs. clinical failure vs. voluntary drop outs… Again, hard to say. Most people get a phone call or letter letting them know they are in danger of failing, and drop out before that “F” actually happens, so it’s kind of a “forced” voluntary drop out if that makes sense. I will say that the people that decide nursing is not right for them happens in the first semester, and when that happens, it doesn’t really have anything to do with academics. It just isn’t what they thought it was. Our clinical experience is pass or fail, and I haven’t heard of anyone failing because they failed clinical. The people that drop out do so because they fail the academic portion. I’m only finishing up the first year though, so second year clinical could be more intense and a different story.
    5. No idea about the demographics. There are people with previous degrees, people that are already in the medical field, a handful right out of high school, and everyone in between. None of these seem to predict success or failure in the program. It’s a very diverse group. I would guess there to be about 15-20 males in the program. So they are there, just not in large numbers. The few I actually know have previous medical experience, generally ER.
    Anyway, I hope this helps. Good luck with the nursing program!
  5. by   NOVA EMT
    Hi "excitedtobehere".

    Thank you for your thorough and well-written reply. It was very informative and I appreciate the time and effort that you put into your answer.

    Would you have an idea of how many applicants were accepted having completed the NAS 161 and 162 science courses versus those applicants who were accepted having completed the Anatomy and Physiology 1 and 2 and Microbiology courses?

  6. by   SleeplessNVa
    NOVA EMT, I can assure you that the NVCC administration does not share any information with us students. We are lucky if they teach us the material EVERYTHING that excitedtobehear said is absolutely true. We can only guess from our interactions with other classmates. I took 141, 142, and 205. Most of the people I compare with tell me they did NAS 161 and 162. I really think it has no bearing when it comes to being accepted at the NVCC ADN program. The 161-162 route will be useless in any other realm, with the exception of the NVCC Momentum program. If you plan to go further, through any other plan, which I do, I would recommend to save yourself the headache of repeating A&P and taking micro. I did 141 and 142 entirely online, but had to go to campus for 205. I have heard from others that there are a couple of community colleges (Ocean-something) and 4-year colleges (somewhere in Orgeon) that offer online micro courses. Search this site for online microbiology course and you'll see the info. I'd run it by NVCC before taking from another school and pray they give you acurate information at "student services." I have known some classmates that took 141 and 142 in the same semester, so potentially you could get them all done quickly. It's really up to you, but IMO, it has no impact on selection because the only requirements at this time at NVCC are 161 and 162. I think that NVCC may be one of the remaining VCCS schools that have not moved over to the 141 and 142 205 combo, considering that an ADN won't get you far in this world anymore. So in summary, I believe, take it for what it's worth, that you'd do yourself a favor to get your 141, 142, and 205, unless you want to work in a nursing home or home health setting, then you can get by (for now) with an ADN. Good luck to you! We have all been in your shoes.
  7. by   excitedtobehere
    No problem! As Martha said, NVCC doesn't care which sequence you take. Your likelihood of being accepted is the same. I wanted to refer you to another thread that I responded in, as I think it clears up the pros and cons of each decision. http://allnurses.com/va-nursing-prog...on-545745.html
    For me personally, I did NAS 161 and 162, because I could apply more quickly to the program and it was less expensive. Also, as long as you intend to get your RN from NVCC, it doesn't matter. There are so many "RN to BSN" bridge programs out there, that once you have your RN, they aren't looking at specific classes. My suggestion would be to look at the school you intend to go to for your BSN and see what the "RN to BSN" requirements are. They are not the same as a transfer student. If they don't offer an "RN to BSN" program, then your best option is to avoid the NAS classes as they don't transfer. Only then will it matter.
  8. by   NOVA EMT
    Thanks to both "excitedtobehere" and "SleeplessNVa" for your quick replies.

    Your answers have confirmed what I suspected. FYI, I decided to enroll in Anatomy and Physiology 1 and 2 (BIO-141 and 142) and Microbiology (BIO-205) instead of NAS 161 and 162 because I was advised by a professor in the NVCC Biology department at that completing the Anatomy and Physiology and Microbiology courses would also meet the science prerequisites for acceptance at other two-year ADN programs such as the nursing programs at Lord Fairfax Community College and Germanna Community College (as well as most 4-year BSN programs), while completing NAS 161 and 162 would only satisfy the science prerequisites for the NVCC ADN program. Completing Anatomy and Physiology and Microbiology would therefore allow me to apply to two other community college ADN programs in addition to the NVCC ADN program (which is actually my preferred choice). Lord Fairfax Community College requires BIO-141, BIO-142, and BIO-150 (Introductory Microbiology). Germanna Community College requires BIO-141, BIO-142, and BIO-149 (Introductory Microbiology). I completed BIO-141 during the Spring 2012 first 8-week session and I am now taking BIO-142 during the Spring 2012 second 8-week session. I plan to take BIO-205 during the 2012 Fall 16-week semester. However, I discovered that there are also two science prerequisites for taking General Microbiology (BIO-205), which are "one year of college Biology and one year of college Chemistry or division approval". I have to complete BIO-141 and BIO-142 anyway to meet the NVCC ADN program admission requirements, but I did not expect to have to take a year of college chemistry just so that I can enroll in General Microbiology (BIO-205). I asked the NVCC Biology to waive the one year of college chemistry prerequisite based upon the fact that I had successfully completed a college Introductory Microbiology course over thirty years ago, but they refused to approve my waiver request based upon the fact that my Introductory Microbiology course was over thirty years old and their policy position is that I need to complete college Chemistry so that I will be adequately prepared to successfully complete the General Microbiology course. Note that I did not ask that the requirement for the General Microbiology (BIO-205) course be waived based upon completion of the thirty-year old Introductory Microbiology course; I just wanted the Chemistry prerequisite to be waived. So now I am trapped into taking two semesters of college Chemistry courses over this summer in order to be allowed to enroll in the General Microbiology course in the Fall, even though I do not want or need the two Chemistry courses.

    Does anyone know a community college or private college where I can complete General Biology (BIO-205) or an equivalent Microbiology course that will be accepted by NVCC without having to first take a year of college Chemistry? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
  9. by   SleeplessNVa
    Hi again,

    Not sure what NVCC will take because I never tried to get in there with something other than 205. They accepted my CHM101 (4 credits) and BIO141-142 (8 credits) and let me right into 205? Maybe ask someone else at NVCC; sometimes all you need to do is contact a professor directly and they will let you into their class...or take it at Germana/Lord Fairfax, and transfer it over. I did my CHM101 at Southside Community College (another VCCS school) online over the summer and transferred it to NVCC no problem. They were the only school offering online and I couldn't take the in class at a local school because it was middle of the day everywhere; work conflict. Remember NVCC is just another VCCS school, so never give up at no

    As for going to another VCCS school for nursing, I recommend you check the NCLEX pass rates...just saying.

    There's a thread about online microbiology programs, I believe under distance learning. One is at Eastern Oregon, another is at Ocean County Community College, and finally one is Kansas. You could take the course descriptions up to a counselor and see if they would accept one of those? I'd make sure you get it in writing if they will accept one of those.

    Personally, I'd try to get in at Lord Fairfax or Germanna though, if you really can't convince NVCC to let you in.

    Microbiology Online at Ocean County College

    Eastern Oregon University | Eastern Oregon University

    Edukan Website

    You can search at vccs.edu for courses offered at all the Virginia Community College System schools. There has to be an option somewhere!

    Again - Good LUCK!!!
  10. by   excitedtobehere
    I also STRONGLY recommend checking NCLEX pass rates. I distinctly remember one of those schools listed as being pretty bad. Don't recall the stats for the other. I'm not really much help recommending where to take additional classes, as I took NAS 161 and 162, and had AP credit from high school for chemistry and biology. Martha has given you some awesome suggestions though, so I would definitely look into those. Good luck!
  11. by   NOVA EMT
    Thanks for your advice.

    FYI, I spoke with another NVCC student who intends to apply to the NVCC traditional ADN program next month and she told me that NVCC allowed her to take General Microbiology 205 without having to take any college Chemistry because she was credited with the Chemistry prerequisite for having taking Chemistry in High School, presumably less than ten years ago. So it appears that NVCC exercises wide discretion in determining whether the Chemistry prerequisite courses will be waived or not.

    Also, I looked at the George Mason University BSN program webpage and it specifically states the following:
    NAS 161 and NAS 162 does NOT transfer to fulfill requirements for admission to the George Mason University School of Nursing.

    GMU requires either Introductory Microbiology 150 or General Microbiology 205 as prerequisites for acceptance to the BSN program, which means that you are wasting your time taking NVCC's NAS 161 and NAS 162 courses if you have any intention of applying later to GMU for the BSN degree program since you will have to take BIO-141 and BIO-142/BIO-231 and BIO-232, and also BIO-150/BIO-205 anyway. So the bottom line is that anyone contemplating applying to the NVCC ADN program would be wise to take BIO-141, BIO-142, CHM-101, CHM-102, and BIO-205 to maximize further educational options, which is a total of 20 semester credit hours and will take at least one year to complete.
  12. by   penguin2012
    Hi, I am applying for traditional nursing program this Fall 2012. Still waiting!!! I don't have any degree in US. I am worried that I got rejected. Is someone who doesn't have any degree (ex: AS) got accepted?

    Could somebody please let me know which Humanities/Fine Arts Elective class (easiest) should I take? Thanks.
    Last edit by penguin2012 on Apr 18, '12
  13. by   summer03
    It is a lot of work once you are in the program and I graduated in Spring 2012 with a 3.4. (I got in Fall 2010 with a 3.8.) I currently work at INOVA Fair Oaks as an RN1 and am making almost $70K/year because I get a differential for being on the night and weekend shift, which was the only placement available to me as an ADN. The hospitals seem to give prefence to BSNs, but demand has been sufficient for more people in my class to still have been hired by hospitals than for any other type of job. NOVA nurses seem to have very good reputations with hospitals and it was not much work for me to get a job in one. I hope you find this information helpful and wish you the best of luck. NVCC is a solid program and I am finding the work rewarding.