Why is it called "RN to BSN" - not "ADN to BSN"? - page 3

A friend of mine just told me he assumed no RNs had Bachelor's degrees - because he sees so many advertisements for "RN to BSN" programs. I had to explain to him that those "bridge" programs are for people with Associate Degrees... Read More

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    Quote from kabfighter
    There is no such degree as an "ADN". Most schools that award associate's degrees with nursing majors award an Associate in Science in Nursing (ASN). I would think that the term "ADN" would be a catch-all that includes AAS degrees...as those are associate-level degrees regardless of the general education courses that are required. My ASN program had very little leeway for electives...52 credits were required for the major, and the total required to earn the degree was 69. That left only 16 credits for general education, which is not a whole lot more than what an AAS provides. I have an AAS from the Community College of the Air Force, and only 15 credits of English, math, social studies, etc. were required...not a whole lot different than my ASN. What makes the issue confusing is that there are practical nursing programs which award AAS degrees.

    For the most part, I don't think that most patients give a hoot about what degree anyone has. As long as you're bringing them their meds on time they seem happy.
    Should have been more clear.

    It will of course vary by state but there is a difference in between an Associate Degree, Associate in Applied Science, and Associate in Arts (AA) with a major in whatever subject.

    In New York State the difference mainly comes down to the liberal arts requirements set down to meet standards set down by the Board of Regents. See: Program Registration Guidelines and Resources:OCUE:NYSED

    From the above:

    "Undergraduate degrees shall be distinguished, as follows, by the minimum amount of liberal arts content required for each degree. The required liberal arts core shall not be directed toward specific occupational or professional objectives.”
    Associate in Arts (AA)
    Associate in Science (AS)
    Associate in Applied Science (AAS)
    Bachelor of Arts (BA)
    Bachelor of Science (BS)
    All other undergraduate baccalaureate degrees (BBA, BE, BFA, BPS, BTech, etc.)

    'The liberal arts and sciences comprise the disciplines of the humanities, natural sciences and mathematics, and social sciences."

    There follows an explination of what courses are considered amoung the above and satisfy the requirements, and what are not.

    From the table above ADN (Associate Science Degree with a major in nursing) requires 1/2 minimum liberal arts proportion of content with at least 30 credits. In contrast an Associate in Applied Science (AAS) degree requires 1/3 and 20 credits respectively.

    Applied Science degrees are technical in nature and can be awarded for most any major. Long as the program meets the particular state's requirements you can obtain an AAS degree in everything from LPN to massage theraphy. It is only mainly in the USA with it's multiple pathways to entry for the RN profession and for that matter LPN that the question of degrees confuses the general public. Most other parts of the world have made the BSN mandatory for a RN license and either gotten shot of "practical nurses" all together or established one pathway for entry there as well.

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    My point, as kabfighter pointed out, is that there is the ADN is not the name of a degree. My school has an ADN program that confers the ASN degree, and a bridge program that confers the BSN degree.

    There are different types of non-nursing degrees as well. You can get a B.A. in physics, generally for people who want to continue to an M.B.A. or other area of study; you should get a B.S. in physics if you want to continue to a masters degree in physics. And then there is the B.S. in engineering or B.S.E. that universities confer, versus the B.S.E.T. that many colleges and some universities offer.

    An A.S. degree tends to be a terminal degree, as opposed to an A.A. degree, which has more liberal arts content, and thus a more general foundation for further study. As DGTG pointed out, an A.A.S. program has an even lighter liberal arts requirement than an A.S. program does.

    As far as continuing to a BSN degree through a bridge program, from what I've seen, a two-year degree in nursing, a license, and a very limited distribution of courses (e.g., psychology, sociology) are required.
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    Most other parts of the world have made the BSN mandatory for a RN license and either gotten shot of "practical nurses" all together or established one pathway for entry there as well.
    *** Most ADN programs take 3 years to complete. Most of them require pre-req's that must be competed before one can apply to the two year ADN program. Most of those countries who mandate a BSN for RNs have a 3 year BSN that would not meet the requirments for a BSN in USA. I have lived, and worked as an RN, in New Zealand. Nurses training there is very compairable to the 3 year ADN programs here, and not to the university BSN programs in the USA.
    If we just changed the degree name from associates to bachelors we could achive the same thing.
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    The best course of action is to explain to your confused friends on a case-by-case basis. Any sort of widespread rule about what is being advertised to a niche market is likely to make things worse. Your friends should definitely stay away from the ads in the margin of my Facebook page.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Jul 11, '12 : Reason: general confusion
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    Idk how to delete posts.... So ignore this one! I had read something wrong!!
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    Quote from Tragically Hip
    theantichick, I don't think any institution confers an "ADN" -- it's just a generic term for associate degree in nursing. Generally it would be an A.S. in nursing, or sometimes, an A.A.S. in nursing.

    Would the OP be happier if the program were called "RN to RN/BSN bridge"?
    No, they prob wouldn't! They still wouldn't get it!!! If you're not in nursing, you won't ever get it!! Unless you were raised around it!! Then again, of you're raised around it you're not the open public then either! LOL!
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    Who cares? Just explain and move on.
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    Quote from mclennan
    Shows you how confusing to non-medical people all this is. Yikes.
    Non-medical people are stupid.

    Film at 11.
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    Quote from MN-Nurse
    Non-medical people are stupid. Film at 11.
    *** Plenty of stupid to go around. Medical people included.

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