Psychiatric nursing... do you really lose all your nursing skills? - page 2
Hello! I'm a new grad and I have accepted a position on the inpatient unit in mental health. I'm excited to start my career in this field, but I have a question for those who have or already work... Read More
Aug 22, '12Not much left to add. Good advice especially the NO EXPERIENCE IS WASTED!! I've wanted to tat something like that on some co-workers who made fun of my unit (Adult total joint) not being real Nursing.
Aug 22, '12The inpatient psych ward I worked on had yearly skill checks for all staff that matched the med-surg area (that's where we had to do our check list). We were required to stay IV certified and attend all in-services that the other RNs had. I mean seriously...how hard is it to put in a foley.
I think it all boils down to the psych unit itself and how well educated the RN is.
Aug 22, '12I am excited for you...I am starting my trek from LPN to BSN and have been pondering what I would like to focus in on, and it always came back to Mental Health/Psychiatric nursing....that is where my true passion is....I have lived a lifetime with friends and family that have been affected by mental illness so my heart has always been there....I currently work in corrections nursing and enjoy the balance of some acute care along with obvious mental health issues, I simply want to do more for these folks but doing so is out of my scope of practice (at least for now)....I am rooting for you and wish you nothing but success!, please keep us informed of your progress....I will be eager to see how it is going....
Aug 24, '12Our BH units include a fair amount of detox and rehab areas- the former especially keeps up my med surg skills as all types and conditions go through various withdrawals, from alcohol, pain meds, crack, street rx drugs, etc.
I do stoma cares, trach cares, wound care, incontinence care, foleys, IV checks and blood draws. We also look out for DTs and seizures- all told an excellent combo of medicine and psych. Whether your workplace includes detox in behavior health or not can vary, but even on the psych units we find ourselves doing a fair amount of wound care and foleys, just not as often as on a med surg floor, but to me not seldom enough to completely lose the skills, and we get the added bonus of the patients not staying in their beds
Sep 5, '12I think one of the biggest misconceptions in psych nursing is that there is no medical care given. Psych patients have medical conditions too. You will be surprised at how many medical cares you actually perform in psych.
Sep 19, '12Okay, I'm just a little ol' nursing student, but I do work at a psychiatric facility. I've taken more than plenty of residents to the emergency room for a variety of things. The emergency room isn't like TV; people come in for the mundane and the seriously life threatening. One of the things people come to the emergency room for is suicide ideation, delusions, or otherwise being unsafe. Furthermore, people with mental illness get other diseases and disorders that require treatment. They too, have heart attacks, cancer, diabetes, COPD and many other issues. In fact, they may have more than the general public, as the life expectancy of someone with a severe and pervasive mental illness is like 65. Last time I took a psych patient to the ER, they had me, a non-employee, lead her back into the "secured" ER because the medical staff was literally deer in the headlights. I don't know anything about transferring, but telling someone that they might lose their Foley and IV skills kinda sounds like some people don't think you're a "real" nurse unless you do these things all the time.
Sep 20, '12@Feistn - awesome points. A large percent of ER visits are related to mental health disorders, domestic violence, and intoxication of some form. These patients encounter a lot of stigma and are often labeled by their disease and their complaints neglected as a result (yes, people with bipolar actually can have a stroke!). Admittedly, psych is not the best place to start if the ER is where you want to be, but it is not because of losing your familiarity with physical tasks, but with the differences in prioritization and time management. If there is any way you can float to a med-surg unit with monitored beds or to a step-down unit, you would have the most comprehensive foundation for an ER career. Or, you may like mental health so much that you will want to work in the psych-ER!
Mar 7, '13I agree with the last 2 comments above. I have worked at the State Hospital (obviously psych) for 5+ years and graduated in Dec. 11' with my ADN. At first, it was difficult for anyone to call me for an interview in a medical field, and I was getting frustrated, cuz let's face it, if you work psych for a period of time you will get easily irritable and burn out! Finally, after 6 months I stared getting calls for ER positions, L & D positions, and Med Surg positions I applied for. They were offering me jobs left and right. ( Keep in mind I've been in psych for 5 yrs and a CNA before then) I was a total believer that if I didn't get out of the psych field I would lose everything I dreamed of going to school for. ER gets SOOOO many psych cases, they actually benefit from someone with experience since a seasoned psych nurse knows how to handle a manic, grandiose pt that comes to the ER thinking he's Obama and recites the Bible with his eyes closed. Every field has psych related somehow. Depression, anxiety, you name it. I decided to stay in psych and I absolutely love it. Just remember, anyone can say they worked in ICU, Med/Surg, Neuro, ER, OR, or whatever field, but how many can say they survived years in psych? Not many. It takes a special person to work in this field. PLUS, the pay is so much nicer, and working for the State offers way better benefits.
For the " you don't use it you lose it" part: I've removed countless sutures and staples, removed IV's that "medical nurses" forgot to take out, responded to many codes for cardiac arrests, seizures, anaphylactic reactions, you name it, I've pretty much done it. The only lacking part is IV's. I am not trying to talk down about any other field, but no one single person can say they've handled a day in psych AND survived until they dealt with a borderline pt cutting themself and leaving a blood trail up the hall, a person detoxing off whatever drug they were using with a CIWA score of over 20 and b/p thru the roof among other withdraw symptoms, 4 admissions, a man who thinks he is Jesus and "saving" all the other pts for their sins, a pt whose blood sugar dropped thru the basement and gotta get it back up ASAP, and then convincing the old man that the person whom he is speaking with is just his reflection in the window, and not his boss. ( these are all examples btw...)
So if you wanna try psych, go for it. Don't let anyone elses opinion make you choose otherwise. You won't if you like it til you try it! Every day is unpredictable in psych. Mental health is just as important as medical health!
Jun 27, '13I want to give an update on my earlier post. I was initially scared about losing all my 'clinical skills' and I must say that the first mental health unit I got hired on was not an overall positive experience. The older nurses were mean to the younger nurses, as well as the patients. Nurses on the unit were not allowed to start IVs or take blood. I am happy to say that I have since moved on to a different mental health unit in another hospital and since the unit takes patients even before they are 'medically cleared,' nurses have many opportunities to practice their 'clinical skills'. I will be IV certified, I will take my own blood samples, I will perform blood transfusions, etc... so things are looking good and I have fallen in love with psychiatric nursing now my long-term goal is to work in the psych ER or in the community
Jun 29, '13Quote from lilmoongoddessAnother one joins the dark sideso things are looking good and I have fallen in love with psychiatric nursing now my long-term goal is to work in the psych ER or in the community
Psych ER is fun, you'd like it. But it's not as medical as the name makes it seem. In the psych ER, you're dealing with patients who are in acute psychiatric crisis--a majority of them are/will be under holds when they arrive, but there's a fair number of voluntaries. There's also lots of intoxicated/stoned/high patients coming in too. But if the patient is medically unstable (e.g., unresponsive, MI), they're going over to a medical ER.
Sep 1, '13I am so glad to hear this, as I too am getting ready to start a new position in a state facility. I graduated in may this year and at first I was disappointed that I did not land the "new grad" med surg job at a local hospital; however, I have always liked psych and feel like this will be the place for me. I have heard hat it's good to start in med surg but now I believe psych is where it's at. My facility does med surg skills as well as long term psych and I am excited to be a part of their team! Congrats to you on hanging in there, I hope I will be the next to post a good experience
Sep 15, '13Hi there
I'm an RN (gradded 2012) and work full time in Psych Emerg and Psych Intensive Care in BC, Canada. I can tell you that it has been nothing less than an incredible experience. My clinical decision-making/judgment, assessment, and communication skills have developed substantially since working here. I also work in medical ER on the side (but less and less over the days) and have found that yes, skills do fade a bit, but it has been worth the trade off for my new psych skills. A lot of experience/exposure gives you some excellent psychosocial knowledge as well as ethical critical thinking (treating involuntary patients, for example). I would encourage you to try and keep your understanding of disease pathology and what not through research on your downtime. I've done that and was able to pass the NCLEX-RN (recently) and have barely worked in med-surg the last year and half.
Psych is simply amazing!
Sep 15, '13Quote from NurseCardHow is it that so many arrogant nurses feel as if they're the only people capable of applying critical appraisal to making a decision?As a psychiatric nurse, you will use your critical thinking skills, your assessment
skills, your communication skills... invaluable tools that are difficult to relearn
As a psychiatric nurse, you probably will not start too many IV's, give blood,
insert foleys... except for on rare occasions. After a while you may lose some
of your hands-on skills, but those are so much easier to relearn.
Having said all of that... if you spend six years in psych, you are much much
less likely to get hired to an ER crew than if you spend say, six months to a
year in psych. I've known new grads who started their careers in psych, and
then moved on to ICU, Med Surge, wherever. Good luck!