probably a dumb question about PIVs and drawing blood... - page 3
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hey- i'm a new grad, working in a picu...i had some issues for my first 2 months with an impatient and rather harsh preceptor who was more likely to say, 'why aren't you understanding this??' than to actually help me learn...so,... Read More
- 0Dec 3, '11 by Rookie12i work on a PICU and we will draw labs from a PIV if we can get them. We don't return waste on a PIV however, only on PICC lines or CVL's. Why is drawing labs off a PIV with MIVF running so different than drawing labs of a PICC with MIVF running?? I'm curious that this practice seems so different everywhere! What does the research say is wrong with blood from running PIV's?
- 0Dec 4, '11 by Ashley, PICU RNIn my PICU, we draw labs off of PIV's if we can get them. We get a fair number of DKA kids, and they always get two IV's. One is for their meds, fluids, and insulin drip. The other we save for blood draws. We are draw glucose levels and blood gases every hour on these kids and BMP, Mh Phos q 4. I can't imagine finger pricking or sticking a kid (or an adult) every hour for labs, so we use the PIV. We don't draw from the line for cultures (obviously) or for some labs that might give us false readings, depending on the IV fluid running through.
I do find, personally, that PIVs are more likely to become infiltrated or clotted if used for blood draws. I think it's due to manipulating the IV in the vein. I'll still try it, though, especially with a child who is a hard stick. Best case senario is I get the blood and keep the IV. Worst case, I have to start a new IV, which means another needle stick, but the child would have needed another stick for the labs anyway.
Central lines are larger and sit in a much bigger vein, so it's far less likely that drawing from a central line will cause a a problem with the line. The blood in the central line vein is also diluted more quickly than a peripheral (think larger vein, more blood, faster blood flow), so it's less likely that a central line draw will give you false results due to fluid running through the line.
We don't ever return waste, unless it's a kid that needs all the blood he can get and we have a specific doctor's order. And then I'll always get another RN to gently shake the blood in the waste syringe while I draw the labs. I've seen how quickly blood can clot in a syringe, and I can see how dangerous it would be to return blood that could be full of micro-clots, not to mention the greater risk of infection.
- 0Dec 5, '11 by brownbookAs to your preceptor saying to use a tourniquet. Either you get a blood sample easily without a tourniquet, or you might not. If you didn't easily get a blood sample a tourniquet might help.
It is not essential to use a tourniquet, and if you have found good luck, success, without needing a tourniquet you do not have to use one.
Tell your preceptor you have drawn blood before from a PIV and have not needed a tourniquet. You might have a tourniquet tied loosely around the arm so if you didn't get blood it would be readily available to use.