Paleo/Primal Diet? - page 2

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Does anyone have any experience with the Paleo diet? Like what you'd see on Mark's Daily Apple or PaNu - PāNu Blog . Did anyone have a positive (or negative) experience with it? Do you see any major flaws? Is this something you... Read More


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    The Paleo diet is about as far from "fad" as you can get. It's the way man has been eating for thousands of years before the advent of processed junk, fake food and high fructose corn syrup. I somehow doubt the validity of so called hospital dieticians "optimal nutrition", when typical fare on a hospital menu is processed junk, packaged syrup, white bread, sweetened juice and a plethora of sodas. Even the traditional graham crackers have high fructose corn syrup in them. I'll stick with the Paleo diet, thanks. I actually find the level of nutrition in most hospitals absolutely appalling.
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    I have been eating Paleo for about 4 months now. I have lost 30 lbs. My heartburn is completely gone. Never any constipation. My fasting blood sugars are in the low 80s in the mornings. Never felt better. Would definitely recommend this way of eating to anyone, especially if they were diabetic.
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    I have been known to suggest a person research a particular diet/eating regimin.....
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    I have been eating Paleo for the past 2 years. My entire family eats paleo, and the gym members where I workout eat paleo. A "diet" that I have sustained for 2 years is most certainly not a fad diet. It is my lifestyle. I have never felt nor looked better. Weight loss is just a perk, as there are so many more benefits to the diet like reducing inflammation, increasing serotonin levels, gaining lean muscle, etc. Before you knock paleo, read "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf, and give the lifestyle a try for 30 days. The results will not disappoint. And if the way you feel isn't enough to convince you, get your blood levels/hormones checked before you start, then get them checked after 30-60 days. You will be amazed by the results.
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    We Paleo folks are ALL about science!

    I've been "Ancestral" or "Paleo" for about 1 and 1/2 years now. It's completely changed my life. So much so that it's inspired me to consider changing careers to RD or Nutrition Research.

    Some anecdotal n=1 evidence: I have a resolved hiatal hernia, have lost 22 pounds, no longer have reflux or need of PPIs, my lipid panel has flipped completely to perfect, and I'm stronger
    My family:
    Wife has lost 20 lbs
    Father got off BP meds and is regularly now ~100/60, has great lipid panel, and has lost 11lbs (wasn't that big)
    Stepson: off ADD meds, and was considered obese, now his BMI is "normal."

    I have even dedicated a blog to the subject found here: ANTHROfit

    Unfortunately, ancestral eating is only understood by those in the medical research community, and has yet to punture the paradigm of the clinical community as of yet. There's a lot of politics as to why this is, please do the research. (It all gets conspiracy theory sounding as to the why's) But the short answer is some bad science (see "Lipid Hypothesis) and $.

    For science: Go to robbwolf.com, perfecthealthdiet.com. There you can link to many articles and PLENTY of pubmed.

    MANY clinicians (MD, DO, NP, PA) have converted and there's even a paleo physician's network.
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    Quote from mingez
    We Paleo folks are ALL about science!

    I've been "Ancestral" or "Paleo" for about 1 and 1/2 years now. It's completely changed my life. So much so that it's inspired me to consider changing careers to RD or Nutrition Research.

    Some anecdotal n=1 evidence: I have a resolved hiatal hernia, have lost 22 pounds, no longer have reflux or need of PPIs, my lipid panel has flipped completely to perfect, and I'm stronger
    My family:
    Wife has lost 20 lbs
    Father got off BP meds and is regularly now ~100/60, has great lipid panel, and has lost 11lbs (wasn't that big)
    Stepson: off ADD meds, and was considered obese, now his BMI is "normal."

    I have even dedicated a blog to the subject found here: ANTHROfit

    Unfortunately, ancestral eating is only understood by those in the medical research community, and has yet to punture the paradigm of the clinical community as of yet. There's a lot of politics as to why this is, please do the research. (It all gets conspiracy theory sounding as to the why's) But the short answer is some bad science (see "Lipid Hypothesis) and $.

    For science: Go to robbwolf.com, perfecthealthdiet.com. There you can link to many articles and PLENTY of pubmed.

    MANY clinicians (MD, DO, NP, PA) have converted and there's even a paleo physician's network.
    Those results are from weight loss, not necessarily a direct result of the pale diet. Similar results could be found from any number of fad diets such as the south beach diet, Atkins, the Twinkie diet, or the cocaine and coffee diet.

    For a diet that is supposedly safe and effective it is a travesty that the American Medical Association, the American Heart Association, and the American Society of Clinical Nutritionists does not support it.

    There might be something to just eating a balanced diet with plenty of exercise.
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Those results are from weight loss, not necessarily a direct result of the pale diet. Similar results could be found from any number of fad diets such as the south beach diet, Atkins, the Twinkie diet, or the cocaine and coffee diet.

    For a diet that is supposedly safe and effective it is a travesty that the American Medical Association, the American Heart Association, and the American Society of Clinical Nutritionists does not support it.

    There might be something to just eating a balanced diet with plenty of exercise.
    A bit of a short-sighted response, but I'll play. To say that "Those results are from weight loss" not 100% true and is missing the point. First, those improvements I listed were just the off the top of my head. However, if you insist on needing more examples: In addition to my stepson dropping his ADD meds (mentioned above) his skin cleared up as well. He had early onset acne ever since he was 8. My wife dropped her lexapro with no complications. And my father no longer needs meds for his arthritis. These are some additional outcomes which one can't attribute simply to weight loss. However, nutrition and health is all interrelated.

    The weight loss is an expected outcome of eating healthy. I didn't "Diet" to get these results, any more than a vegetarian isn't on a "Diet." That being said, my lipid panel is hard to achieve if one follows the diet set forth by the ADA as diets high in carbs will garner one a panel leaning heavier towards triglycerides and encourages intestinal permeability and gut dysbiosis. The paleo, ancestral, Weston A Price methods of eating resolves those issues.

    My intent was to simply put my lot in with Pro-ancestral nutrition, and not necessarily to defend it. I will say this, I was eating an ADA "Balanced" diet to the "T" prior to going paleo. The weight loss and performance increase (as well as the improved labs) occurred just by switching my diet from ADA, AHA to paleo. No other variables changed. My activity level remained the same (crossfit 3x/week and 2 days strength training) The weight didn't come off until I changed the way I eat. Also, my father, wife, and stepson don't exercise at all. However, they were eating more SAD than AHA.


    RE: "Balanced diet". What is "Balanced"? Seed oils? Meats high in Omega 6? Grains like Cereal and Wheat? Low Fat? Certainly not. Fats (Saturated) are antibiotic in nature, and cancer-protective. They're necessary for proper brain function. Here's a great site about cholesterol and the many myths surrounding it: Cholesterol and Disease — Myths and Truths

    For most people, the ADA/AHA diet is unsustainable. The diet as set forth by the ADA makes people who are metabolically deranged, who are following the diet as ordered, feel as if they are doing something wrong...when such a diet is setting most folks up for failure. Humans just aren't simply intended to eat that way.

    There is also a ton of literature about ketogenic diets and "lowish" carb approaches and it's effect on brain function in such disease as my son's ADD, epilepsy, or Alzheimers. Again, the science doesn't support a diet that recommends most of one's macronutrients are obtained from carbs in the form of grains for ADD.

    It's about controlling insulin spikes, leptin disregulation, which in turn affects satiety, as well as adiposity. I am rarely hungry, rarely over-eat, and I don't have to put forth any mental effort (as I did before) in trying to control portions. I'm simply satiated, and it's liberating. Food just isn't a challenge anymore.

    So by all means, keep eating your muffin in the morning, cereal, and wonder why your ravenous by 1030.

    As for why the ADA hasn't embraced this way of eating, here is were you must do some reading. Research Ansel Keys, Lipid Hypothesis. Perhaps read Taubes' "Good Calories Bad Calories.

    Lustig's sugar is hepatotoxic lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnni...layer_embedded
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    I half expected you to say that the Illuminati were responsible for the conspiracy that holds the paleo diet down. I would hope as a nurse that you would know what a balanced diet was, if not here would be a start ChooseMyPlate.gov

    I am glad this fad diet has worked out for you but honestly I have seen more "results" from those proclaiming that the HCG diet saved their health or swearing that Atkins allowed them to run a marathon.

    Until you can get a single reputable professional healthcare organization to sign off on this diet then it is simply a fad diet.

    Edit: I apologize for my cynicism but I recently was in a debate with a coworker that claimed coffee enemas were the greatest healthcare invention. She literally would take an enema bottle, fill it with coffee (tepid of course), and squirt it into her butt. She swore that it miraculously cured her breast cancer by dilating something in her liver and adjusting something else in her spleen. She swore up and down that it worked, cited some goofy clinic in Mexico "where all the celebrities" go and even cited from .com websites where there were "studies."

    Had a patient's brother claim that acidic water was the cure all of everything from MRSA to Alzheimer's. Claimed that we get sick due to our pH being out of balance and that we had to consume acidic water to balance it. He even had his own "acidic water machine" from Japan that would make it from simple tap water. Again, cited all these goofy clinics and websites with "studies."
    Last edit by Asystole RN on Feb 12, '12
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    I half expected you to say that the Illuminati were responsible for the conspiracy that holds the paleo diet down. I would hope as a nurse that you would know what a balanced diet was, if not here would be a start ChooseMyPlate.gov

    I am glad this fad diet has worked out for you but honestly I have seen more "results" from those proclaiming that the HCG diet saved their health or swearing that Atkins allowed them to run a marathon.

    Until you can get a single reputable professional healthcare organization to sign off on this diet then it is simply a fad diet.
    And your maturity is revealed.

    Make fun, condescend, and blow me off as a conspiracy theorist if you must. I can't think for you, but clearly the ADA does. Research Pubmed. Read the peer-reviewed literature and please dont just read the abstracts.

    Also, in response to your hoping I know what a "Balanced diet" is....I point you here: Rhetorical Question Definition. It might not be peer-reviewed, but it'll do.
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Edit: I apologize for my cynicism but I recently was in a debate with a coworker that claimed coffee enemas were the greatest healthcare invention. She literally would take an enema bottle, fill it with coffee (tepid of course), and squirt it into her butt. She swore that it miraculously cured her breast cancer by dilating something in her liver and adjusting something else in her spleen. She swore up and down that it worked, cited some goofy clinic in Mexico "where all the celebrities" go and even cited from .com websites where there were "studies."

    Had a patient's brother claim that acidic water was the cure all of everything from MRSA to Alzheimer's. Claimed that we get sick due to our pH being out of balance and that we had to consume acidic water to balance it. He even had his own "acidic water machine" from Japan that would make it from simple tap water. Again, cited all these goofy clinics and websites with "studies."
    I apologize for my retort to your cynicism as well. I'm pretty passionate about nutrition...

    Look, I understand. I'm a skeptic too. And the things you mention above about coffee enemas,etc, I agree it's crazy. But I rely on the research and science. I know it sounds like an insane amount of conspiracy theory..but I'm not about homeopathy or blood type diets, acupuncture... If you look at the diet, you'll see that it's not really that weird. The moniker "Paleo" (which I hate BTW) really makes it come off as hokey.

    The things I talk about are actually practiced in medicine and published in reputable journals. Ketogenic diets are legitamate (and the most effective) Tx for epilepsy. Nutrition research has become a strange hobby of mine as of late.


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